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thelarkbox

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Talking of gaffa tape, none of the brands I've tried in recent years remains stuck to itself or other surfaces for as long as older versions, even the pricier ones... so I imagine these DIY handlebar muffs would have needed gaffa tape re-pressed to restick often. Irritating and unreliable. Takes all the fun out of interrogations.
Not just me then, seems gaffer tape just need the hint of a warm breeze to fall off these days, 'gorilla' brand was the worst performer of late this end, odd how the 'failed' tape seemed to retain a high level of tackiness ?? about the only thing it would remain stuck to was its own adhesive surface tho.
 

Heinzja

Finding my (electric) wheels
Jan 16, 2025
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Here they get confiscated.... in China they get abandoned....
It is to cry....

These images of abandoned dockless share bikes in China are astonishing
https://metro.co.uk/2018/03/24/images-abandoned-dockless-share-bikes-china-astonishing-7413192/

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I remember that ebike with Throttle were legal, when they were before 20??... (250w motor/15mph max weight <40kg
then the law did change and only with Sensor were permitted....

In England, the regulations regarding electric bikes (e-bikes) are governed by the **Electric Bikes (England) Regulations 2010**, which align with European Union regulations. Here’s a breakdown of the key points regarding e-bikes with throttles:



### E-Bike Classification in England:



1. **Legal E-Bikes:**

- **Pedal-Assist E-Bikes:** These are e-bikes that provide assistance only when the rider is pedaling. They must have a maximum power output of 250 watts and should not assist the rider beyond 15.5 mph (25 km/h). These bikes do not require registration, insurance, or a license.



2. **E-Bikes with Throttles:**

- **Throttle-Controlled E-Bikes:** E-bikes that have a throttle and can be powered without pedaling are classified differently. If they have a throttle, they are generally considered **electrically assisted pedal cycles (EAPCs)** only if they meet the same power and speed limits as pedal-assist bikes. However, if they exceed these limits or are designed to be used without pedaling, they may be classified as **motor vehicles**.

- **Legal Status:** Throttle-controlled e-bikes that do not comply with the 250-watt limit or can exceed 15.5 mph are not legal for use on public roads unless they are registered as mopeds or motorcycles, which require insurance, registration, and a valid driving license.



### Historical Context:

- There is no specific cutoff year after which e-bikes with throttles became illegal; rather, the regulations have been in place since 2010. E-bikes that were legally sold and used before these regulations were established may still be in use, but they must comply with current laws to be considered legal.



### Current Use:

- If you own an e-bike with a throttle that was purchased before the regulations were established, it may still be legal to use, provided it meets the current legal standards (i.e., 250 watts and not exceeding 15.5 mph). However, if it does not meet these criteria, it may not be legal for use on public roads.
 
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saneagle

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In England, the regulations regarding electric bikes (e-bikes) are governed by the **Electric Bikes (England) Regulations 2010**, which align with European Union regulations. Here’s a breakdown of the key points regarding e-bikes with throttles:



### E-Bike Classification in England:



1. **Legal E-Bikes:**

- **Pedal-Assist E-Bikes:** These are e-bikes that provide assistance only when the rider is pedaling. They must have a maximum power output of 250 watts and should not assist the rider beyond 15.5 mph (25 km/h). These bikes do not require registration, insurance, or a license.



2. **E-Bikes with Throttles:**

- **Throttle-Controlled E-Bikes:** E-bikes that have a throttle and can be powered without pedaling are classified differently. If they have a throttle, they are generally considered **electrically assisted pedal cycles (EAPCs)** only if they meet the same power and speed limits as pedal-assist bikes. However, if they exceed these limits or are designed to be used without pedaling, they may be classified as **motor vehicles**.

- **Legal Status:** Throttle-controlled e-bikes that do not comply with the 250-watt limit or can exceed 15.5 mph are not legal for use on public roads unless they are registered as mopeds or motorcycles, which require insurance, registration, and a valid driving license.



### Historical Context:

- There is no specific cutoff year after which e-bikes with throttles became illegal; rather, the regulations have been in place since 2010. E-bikes that were legally sold and used before these regulations were established may still be in use, but they must comply with current laws to be considered legal.



### Current Use:

- If you own an e-bike with a throttle that was purchased before the regulations were established, it may still be legal to use, provided it meets the current legal standards (i.e., 250 watts and not exceeding 15.5 mph). However, if it does not meet these criteria, it may not be legal for use on public roads.
Where did you get that from? It's incorrect. These are the actual rules:
 

Heinzja

Finding my (electric) wheels
Jan 16, 2025
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You can find the "Electric Bikes (England) Regulations 2010" through several official sources. Here are some options:



1. **Legislation.gov.uk:**

- This is the official government website for UK legislation. You can access the regulations directly through this link:

- [Electric Bikes (England) Regulations 2010](https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2010/404/contents/made)

- This page provides the full text of the regulations, including any amendments.



2. **UK Government Publications:**

- You can also search for government publications related to electric bikes on the UK Government's official website. This may include guidance documents and additional resources:

- [GOV.UK](https://www.gov.uk/)



3. **Department for Transport:**

- The Department for Transport (DfT) may have additional information and guidance regarding electric bikes and their regulations. You can visit their website for more resources:

- [Department for Transport](https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/department-for-transport)



4. **Local Authorities:**

- Your local council or authority may also provide information on e-bike regulations and any specific local rules that may apply.
 

flecc

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You can find the "Electric Bikes (England) Regulations 2010" through several official sources. Here are some options:



1. **Legislation.gov.uk:**

- This is the official government website for UK legislation. You can access the regulations directly through this link:

- [Electric Bikes (England) Regulations 2010](https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2010/404/contents/made)

- This page provides the full text of the regulations, including any amendments.



2. **UK Government Publications:**

- You can also search for government publications related to electric bikes on the UK Government's official website. This may include guidance documents and additional resources:

- [GOV.UK](https://www.gov.uk/)



3. **Department for Transport:**

- The Department for Transport (DfT) may have additional information and guidance regarding electric bikes and their regulations. You can visit their website for more resources:

- [Department for Transport](https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/department-for-transport)



4. **Local Authorities:**

- Your local council or authority may also provide information on e-bike regulations and any specific local rules that may apply.
Nonsense. The link you provide leads to:

The Building (Local Authority Charges) Regulations 2010

(https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2010/404/contents/made)

You've been given the correct source for EAPC advice by Saneagle above.

If you want to look at some of the amendment detail of the 1983 EAPC regulations, this is one correct link below:


There's far more, but I don't want to confuse you any more than you've already confused yourself.
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Heinzja

Finding my (electric) wheels
Jan 16, 2025
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My first bike in the year 2000th had both features and was/is legal (I still have it: a “PowaByke Commuter” with a 250W motor and a 36V SLA battery, weighing just under 40kg).
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Anyway, illegal bikes are ridden by idiots because, regardless of what happens, the illegal rider is guilty when involved in an accident. That alone can be a “life-changing event” (financially, at least). If someone doesn’t want to pedal, they should buy a Vespa or something similar (I still have a Honda/Vespa lookalike scooter from the 1980s) and a VeloSolex from the 1960s. It’s more fun than riding illegally and cheaper too (self-built illegal e-bike for £1000 or a second-hand scooter for £200). So, I have no compassion for confiscated bikes or for the foolish owners.

An Uber Eats driver who gets £2.50 for one delivery on an illegal e-bike, without any legal protection, and spends all that money on their bike cannot be thinking clearly and should really reconsider their options for earning money.

Anyway there are plenty of links to legal definitions of ebike and everyone will know what’s it about... and kids below 14/15/16 are illegal whatever kind of ebike is used...
 

saneagle

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My first bike in the year 2000th had both features and was/is legal (I still have it: a “PowaByke Commuter” with a 250W motor and a 36V SLA battery, weighing just under 40kg).
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Anyway, illegal bikes are ridden by idiots because, regardless of what happens, the illegal rider is guilty when involved in an accident. That alone can be a “life-changing event” (financially, at least). If someone doesn’t want to pedal, they should buy a Vespa or something similar (I still have a Honda/Vespa lookalike scooter from the 1980s) and a VeloSolex from the 1960s. It’s more fun than riding illegally and cheaper too (self-built illegal e-bike for £1000 or a second-hand scooter for £200). So, I have no compassion for confiscated bikes or for the foolish owners.

An Uber Eats driver who gets £2.50 for one delivery on an illegal e-bike, without any legal protection, and spends all that money on their bike cannot be thinking clearly and should really reconsider their options for earning money.

Anyway there are plenty of links to legal definitions of ebike and everyone will know what’s it about... and kids below 14/15/16 are illegal whatever kind of ebike is used...
Actually, that bike was rated at 200w, so complied with the regulations at the time. I'm pretty sure that it's still legal with a throttle because of the 200w motor. Bikes with a 250w motor and throttle never complied, though there were some allowances.
 
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