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saneagle

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The girl serving behind the counter in our local Co-op was struggling to walk today. She said that she had fallen off her electric scooter. She admitted that she knew she wasn't supposed to use it, and she said that she was never going to use it again.
 

Benjahmin

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Nov 10, 2014
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Just been to my daughters place in Trowbridge, Wiltshire.
Saw quite a few obviously illegal fat bikes, and others ( but no scooters !), being ridden round town. Not only with no pedalling but through pedestrian areas even the wrong way up one way streets. None seemed to be delivery riders.
This wild west I can do anything I like/is convenient to me is extremely self centred and will land us all in regulatory hell.
 

saneagle

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I went to Aldi in the town centre today. On the way down, I got passed by a guy not pedalling on a bike with a pancake motor in the back. When I came out of Aldi, there was a Sur-Ron clone in the rack next to my bike. On the way back, I saw a fairly young girl on one of those powerful scooters with 10" wheels, riding slowly next to her pedestrian friend. I saw one other bike during the whole journey, which was a normal non-electric bike. That makes 50% of the two-wheeled vehicles around that journey illegal, 66% of the electric ones illegal, and 10% of the electric ones that weren't mine illegal.
 

esuark

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I see more and more non pedaling e bikes usually the fat tyre creations and all sorts riding them young and old. Scooters as well.
I sometimes go across town to pick up my granddaughters from school and there is a boy comes out of there with a non pedaling "dinner plate special". Sometimes giving a mate a lift.
On a couple of occasions I`v seen a what looks like a well off boy with Sur-Ron type bike with girlfriend on the back hanging around zooming up and down the road no helmets and no attempt to hide identities. Probably playing truant and waiting for mates to finish school.
I`d add this is a good area smart new houses and a new sought after school.
I wrote a bit last Saturday on this thread about some hooded youths on a motorcycle who the police totally ignored.

Sign of the times.......
 

Nealh

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Aug 7, 2014
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Most of the E- bikes in regular use I ses now have speed switches , noe pedal action. They are either DD rear hubs with the odd front DD hub or those silly looking monkey style bikes with 20" wheels and fat tyres.
Now the sun is here and summer on the way one expects the pletherer of bosh type bikes will be dusted off and out and about soon using the sign posted cycle routes.
 

saneagle

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Most of the E- bikes in regular use I ses now have speed switches , noe pedal action. They are either DD rear hubs with the odd front DD hub or those silly looking monkey style bikes with 20" wheels and fat tyres.
Now the sun is here and summer on the way one expects the pletherer of bosh type bikes will be dusted off and out and about soon using the sign posted cycle routes.
I'd never thought about that, but you're right. I rarely see bikes with Bosch motors on normal roads, nor parked up at the shops, but i see them quite a lot whenever I'm on an official cycle route. What's everybody else got to say about that?
 

chris_n

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I'd never thought about that, but you're right. I rarely see bikes with Bosch motors on normal roads, nor parked up at the shops, but i see them quite a lot whenever I'm on an official cycle route. What's everybody else got to say about that?
I mainly see OEM mid motor bikes locally whether on road or off, the only hub motorbikes I see are older OEM mountain bikes. If I go on the Inn valley cycle route I see some but not many OEM hub motor bikes. Most of the hub motor bikes are 'Dutch style'. Apart from the odd tourist with a motorhome I don't see folding bikes or small wheel bikes. I have seen very few conversions, in fact even though I have spent less than 24 months in UK since 2015 I have seen way more conversions in UK than here in that time. Most of the conversions I have seen have been badly done and I would consider them dangerous. Edit I have never seen any of the delivery type bikes, I haven’t been anywhere in UK where they are prevelant.
 

Nealh

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I'd never thought about that, but you're right. I rarely see bikes with Bosch motors on normal roads, nor parked up at the shops, but i see them quite a lot whenever I'm on an official cycle route. What's everybody else got to say about that?
The riders usually turn up in pairs or a small group of four /six, very rearly do I see a solo cyclist. Cetainly in the UK the bosh type bikes are either MTB type which usuallly is group offroad riding or leisure cyclists as I described now the sun is here.

Seeing a bosh type bike locke up in town or at a outof town shop is very very rare.
 

Nealh

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I mainly see OEM mid motor bikes locally whether on road or off, the only hub motorbikes I see are older OEM mountain bikes. If I go on the Inn valley cycle route I see some but not many OEM hub motor bikes. Most of the hub motor bikes are 'Dutch style'. Apart from the odd tourist with a motorhome I don't see folding bikes or small wheel bikes. I have seen very few conversions, in fact even though I have spent less than 24 months in UK since 2015 I have seen way more conversions in UK than here in that time. Most of the conversions I have seen have been badly done and I would consider them dangerous. Edit I have never seen any of the delivery type bikes, I haven’t been anywhere in UK where they are prevelant.
Certainly in Germany one would have thought the hub bike or kit bike were plenty ful going by the vibrant pedelec.de forum.
 

chris_n

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Certainly in Germany one would have thought the hub bike or kit bike were plenty ful going by the vibrant pedelec.de forum.
I'm just over the border in Austria, there may be some kits in Germany and possibly here but they are overwhelmed by the sheer number of OEM bikes. I did a short 15 mile unpowered ride with my wife on Thursday which was a bank holiday here. In that time we must have seen hundreds of thousands of Euros worth of bikes, both unpowered €5k + carbon road bikes and €2.5k + ebikes including MTB, cruiser, Dutch type etc, no kits.
I think forums like this and pedelecforum.de tend to be biased towards people needing help and the vast majority of OEM bike owners don't have problems so don't partake.
 
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saneagle

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I'm just over the border in Austria, there may be some kits in Germany and possibly here but they are overwhelmed by the sheer number of OEM bikes. I did a short 15 mile unpowered ride with my wife on Thursday which was a bank holiday here. In that time we must have seen hundreds of thousands of Euros worth of bikes, both unpowered €5k + carbon road bikes and €2.5k + ebikes including MTB, cruiser, Dutch type etc, no kits.
I think forums like this and pedelecforum.de tend to be biased towards people needing help and the vast majority of OEM bike owners don't have problems so don't partake.
I think the main difference is between people using their bikes for utility and those using them for sport. You're seeing people using them for sport.

I noticed the same sort of thing with motorbikes in the 90s. A German would never get on a motorbike without wearing thousands of pounds worth of riding gear, including kidney and back protectors and the most expensive boots they could get, while as a British guy would be happy with jeans and a leather jacket, and a pair of wellies when it rains. Since then, I see a contingent of British motorcyclists following the German way, but they only use their bikes for sport, and would never ride to work.
 

chris_n

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I think the main difference is between people using their bikes for utility and those using them for sport. You're seeing people using them for sport.

I noticed the same sort of thing with motorbikes in the 90s. A German would never get on a motorbike without wearing thousands of pounds worth of riding gear, including kidney and back protectors and the most expensive boots they could get, while as a British guy would be happy with jeans and a leather jacket, and a pair of wellies when it rains. Since then, I see a contingent of British motorcyclists following the German way, but they only use their bikes for sport, and would never ride to work.
On that day I would agree but I also see lots of people commuting on OEM mid motor bikes.
 

chris_n

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That's probably because you live in a sports biking area. It won't be the same in the centre of Köln or München.
Neither of which are in Austria ;-) Innsbruck certainly has more 'commuter' type bikes but again the only electric ones I have seen are OEM mid motor. Maybe in somewhere like Vienna where there is a higher migrant population there may be more kit type bikes or maybe because electric scooters are legal here the 'value' end of the market is covered by them. Another significant difference is that kids can ride Mopeds from 14 so any Surron type bikes are registered and insured.
 

flecc

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electric scooters are legal here the 'value' end of the market is covered by them. Another significant difference is that kids can ride Mopeds from 14 so any Surron type bikes are registered and insured.
That's the sensible way to deal with these issues, make their use legally possible, incorporating protection where necessary.

Instead in the UK we have a Nanny State attitude, trying so hard to protect by banning so much that the youngsters and even many adults get frustrated and do whatever they like anyway. The stupidity of what amounts to state encouragement to break the law should be blindingly obvious, but seemingly not to our MPs.
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