Net twin suspension alternative to Haibke

[eddieo]

Bulls of "Bulls green mover" fame who usually use the Go-Swiss drive, have a few new Bosch powered bikes (hasn't everyone!) added to their range....not cheap mind at £2800 but latest 11Ah battery

Bulls Six 50 E FS

cute...

Color: matte black
Model: Six50 E FS
Brand: Bulls
Battery capacity (Ah): 11.1 Ah
Battery voltage (V): 36 V
Battery Capacity (Wh): 400 Wh
Tyres: Schwalbe Nobby Nic tires
Brakes: Avid Elixir 5 disc brakes
Brake Levers: Avid Elixir 5 brake lever
Color Direction: black
Rims: Ryde Andra rims
Fork: Rock Shox Revelation RL fork
Gears: 10 speed derailleur
Rear Shock: Rock Shox Monarch rear shock RL
Chain: KMC chain
Handlebar: Kalloy Uno Grade 3.0 handlebars
Pedals: Wellgo pedals
Product: Men's bike
Product Group: Electric Bike
Wheel Size: 27.5 inches
Frame height: 46 cm
Frame Material: Aluminum Frame 7005
Frame Type: MTB
Seat post: Kalloy Uno Grade 3.0 Seatpost
Saddle: Selle Royal Seta saddle
Shifters: Shimano Deore XT Shifters
Rear derailleur: Shimano Deore XT 10-speed rear derailleur
Crankset: FSA Crankset
Satori UP2 A-Head stem: Kalloy Uno Grade 3.0 Stem
Price: € 3,499.00

 

[flecc]

Looks like it would be huge fun off-road, and for longer now with the 11 Ah battery, Batteries soon get emptied on the rough stuff.

 

[eddieo]

its not the only one, AVE and Deer also do similar bikes

 

[flecc]

Given the rotten support from the manufacturers of the Haibike, hopefully one of these others will find their way here with an agent Eddie. That market is wide open here at the moment.

 

[GORDONAL]

AVE XH3-5-7 range is available in this country now and to my mind look rather tasty . Again its a question of support I have great confidence in my dealer ONBIKE to do whatever is necessary but if a part is simply not available there is not a huge amount they can do ( short of stripping off another machine). We are back to a similar debate again although I can say in 3-4 years of ownership I must have been one of those lucky ones having never needed any repair/replacement of any part

Alan btw. the Bulls looked tasty also

 

[eddieo]

I really like the bulls range with Go swiss motors was rather surprised to see them produce Bosch bikes. they have been flavor of the year (2011-2012) in Germany. elaiability isues early on so maybe a bit early, but they dont seem to have any intert in UK so a risky import purchase I would think

here are a few from large range. cant find copper head my favorite... powerful and quiet.

ElektroRad 1/2012: Bulls Green Mover Sportslite Plus - YouTube

Test Bulls Cross Disc Elektrobike mit Karl Platt - YouTube

 

[flecc]

Must say the wide range of e-bikes available in Germany and the Netherlands is enough to make UK consumers jealous. Add their far better cycling infrastructure and we have to conclude that life just ain't fair!

 

[RobF]

Take a £750 mountain bike, slap a Bosch derailleur destroyer on it and charge nearly three grand.

Nice work if you can get it.

 

[eddieo]

I dont think so somehow.....the component list is above, your welcome to do the math. shocks alone near half your comparison

Also its the hub gears Bosch have alleged problems with not dérailleur? Anyway have seen no evidence of breakages on German forum where these bikes have been popular for 2 years...not one thread. Just because shimano wont guarantee the hub gears means little...

 

[eddieo]

while looking for something else came upon this, and remembered Cakey mentioning Nicolai

Nicolai Mountain Ebike Climber | ELECTRICBIKE.COM

Also:

"Two new entrants to the bottom bracket e-drive market have shown their wares at the Taipei Cycle Show.

Bosch in collaboration with Gates Carbon Drive Systems and Fallbrook Technologies (NuVinci) have produced a showcase bike, a prototype meant to demonstrate to manufacturers how their new products could be implemented in new bikes. Karlheinz Nicolai, well known for the G-Boxx and Grace e-bikes, has created the concept and is responsible for the collaboration. The NuVinci N360 and Gates belt drive are used in combination to provide smooth shifts without ratio gaps, shift shock or noise. Suggested price for the "collabo" bike is around $4,200.

TransX (JD Group), meanwhile, have shown their own bottom bracket drive weighing 4.1 kg with integrated torque & speed sensors for pedelec operation and can accommodate up to 3 chain rings. TransX have also demonstrated keyless smart card operation with a vibration based alarm system. The drives and complete bikes should be available by mid 2012.

Joining Optibike, Panasonic, Clean Mobile, amongst others, it seems these companies are pushing new boundaries in the development of BB e-drives giving the hub drive manufacturers, mostly from China, a run for their money."

 

[indalo]

while looking for something else came upon this, and remembered Cakey mentioning Nicolai

Nicolai Mountain Ebike Climber | ELECTRICBIKE.COM

Also:

"Two new entrants to the bottom bracket e-drive market have shown their wares at the Taipei Cycle Show.

Bosch in collaboration with Gates Carbon Drive Systems and Fallbrook Technologies (NuVinci) have produced a showcase bike, a prototype meant to demonstrate to manufacturers how their new products could be implemented in new bikes. Karlheinz Nicolai, well known for the G-Boxx and Grace e-bikes, has created the concept and is responsible for the collaboration. The NuVinci N360 and Gates belt drive are used in combination to provide smooth shifts without ratio gaps, shift shock or noise. Suggested price for the "collabo" bike is around $4,200.

TransX (JD Group), meanwhile, have shown their own bottom bracket drive weighing 4.1 kg with integrated torque & speed sensors for pedelec operation and can accommodate up to 3 chain rings. TransX have also demonstrated keyless smart card operation with a vibration based alarm system. The drives and complete bikes should be available by mid 2012.

Joining Optibike, Panasonic, Clean Mobile, amongst others, it seems these companies are pushing new boundaries in the development of BB e-drives giving the hub drive manufacturers, mostly from China, a run for their money."

Another good find Eddie! Ok, it's probably a costly machine but it all seems nicely integrated and I should imagine it will be a nice ride. In a store near you no time soon, I fear!

Indalo

 

[eddieo]

Ha ha ha..Yes very nice but not for me..for the younger enthusiast I would think. I mean where would you put your basket for one thing....

some interesting snippets of info re new centre drives etc...

 

[Kudoscycles]

Take a £750 mountain bike, slap a Bosch derailleur destroyer on it and charge nearly three grand.

Nice work if you can get it.

Rob,good point but wrong maths...take a 200 dollar chinese frame plus forks,add euro 550 Bosch system ,add German profile graphics,then charge 3 grand for it !
Wonder how long this can continue?
Dave
Kudoscycles

 

[eddieo]

Funny....... meanwhile your bikes are top notch value for money.

Funny think is I think kudos bikes expensive by comparison because I wouldn't give a fiver for one......

 

[GORDONAL]

Blatant riling sir!

We have had no entertainment for all of about 12 hours

Alan

 

[Kudoscycles]

Bulls of "Bulls green mover" fame who usually use the Go-Swiss drive, have a few new Bosch powered bikes (hasn't everyone!) added to their range....not cheap mind at £2800 but latest 11Ah battery

Bulls Six 50 E FS



cute...

Color: matte black
Model: Six50 E FS
Brand: Bulls
Battery capacity (Ah): 11.1 Ah
Battery voltage (V): 36 V
Battery Capacity (Wh): 400 Wh
Tyres: Schwalbe Nobby Nic tires
Brakes: Avid Elixir 5 disc brakes
Brake Levers: Avid Elixir 5 brake lever
Color Direction: black
Rims: Ryde Andra rims
Fork: Rock Shox Revelation RL fork
Gears: 10 speed derailleur
Rear Shock: Rock Shox Monarch rear shock RL
Chain: KMC chain
Handlebar: Kalloy Uno Grade 3.0 handlebars
Pedals: Wellgo pedals
Product: Men's bike
Product Group: Electric Bike
Wheel Size: 27.5 inches
Frame height: 46 cm
Frame Material: Aluminum Frame 7005
Frame Type: MTB
Seat post: Kalloy Uno Grade 3.0 Seatpost
Saddle: Selle Royal Seta saddle
Shifters: Shimano Deore XT Shifters
Rear derailleur: Shimano Deore XT 10-speed rear derailleur
Crankset: FSA Crankset
Satori UP2 A-Head stem: Kalloy Uno Grade 3.0 Stem
Price: € 3,499.00

Eddie,I can sell a bike similar to that for less than £1500 but everybody I speak to in the UK tells me that soft tail e-bikes don't sell,are all these people wrong?
Dave
Kudoscycles

 

[eddieo]

I don't know and dont really care that much, I have already said not my type of bike.... Obviously a bike with limited appeal, but they have lots of bikes on offer probably trying to establish a better reputation, and challenge other makes..

funny thing though, The spec is high and I bet the profit probably less then what you make on one of your bikes....

 

[Kudoscycles]

Do we know how much is the replacement battery costs for these Bosch 11 Ah batteries,one of the reason I quitted the BH bikes was that all of the replacement Bosch parts had to come in from Germany ,the replacement 8 Ah battery without profit or delivery costs was £450,that is against the spirit of what e-bikes are all about, to my mind.
How much for 11 Ah?
Dave
Kudoscycles

 

[Cakey]

Eddie
Will you stop this flagrant tempting of new bikes.
I pop on here feeling content then you link the Nicholai bike.
Just getting over the ave xh range .
I want a complete off roader and these are getting serious machines .

 

[Kudoscycles]

Cakey,what do you think about the mountain goat bikes from ElectricMountainBikes.com
Know nothing about these guys but they seem to offer true off road e-bikes.
Dave
Kudoscycles