Not just MiRiders, fully acting throttles, even twistgrip ones, are legal on any EAPC while turning the pedals.
The rules just say the power must stop when pedalling stops.
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The rules just say the power must stop when pedalling stops.
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I have been driving to Frankfurt regularly in a van for the last six months.
Germany has in my opinion really embraced the need for Two wheels transportation so it does not surprise that are ahead of the game .
Although their roads seem to be wider or more sensible to the safety of cyclists e or otherwise.
I think Bosch e systems will give China a run for there money shame us Brits can not get our act together.
Vincent , Royal Enfield, Raleigh ( made in Thailand now days )
Carrera originally in Vietnam at least the frames .
What happen to British Engineering ?
Sold out by the bankers and destroyed by the union’s ie the days of British Leyland .
Now we have to debate a cycle with a motor and a battery because ass wipes have worked out how to use them to steal phones of little girls .
I disagree. As a 75 year old I find it very dangerous setting off from traffic lights wobbling all over the road until I get a suitable momentum. Frankly if I did not have my throttle for starting off I would no longer feel safe riding my bike, and would pack it in altogether. For me it is about mine and others road safety, I really do not give a toss about the niceties of this over-complex set of laws that no-one really knows, least of all the local plod. I had a nasty accident a while back cycling to post a letter riding down a local alleyway a cat jumped a fence and ran across in front of me. I was doing about 12mph and hit a lamp post. My old bones against cast iron didn't end well. Now I rarely go over 12mph.
Tbh it sounds like one should honestly be thinking of giving up on two wheels and look at a trike bike.
Good luck to you and I really hope you continue to enjoy cycling whatever nonsense rules the government sets. Throttles are the default standard for controlling ebike power in most of the world for good reason across Asia, Africa, Americas etc. It's no surprise many ebikes from China have throttles already fitted because its probably madness to them that we don't use them in Europe. Full control of power at all times makes complete sense you use as little or as much as you want when you need it. It's fantastic for new unfit cyclists, elderly and disabled exactly the type of people that need to get onto ebikes if possible.
I remember a review of a basic Halfords ebike which was completely legal but gave full power shortly after rotating the crank, the delay between turning the crank and getting full power was inconsistent and managing such power was difficult plus of course full power like that put more strain on what was already a low capacity battery. Once you set off and continue to 15.5mph the battery was discharging even if you didn't need it and then of course cuts off. It was unsafe as pointed out by the reviewer and definitely would shorten the life of the battery pack and reduce the range. A unsafe and poor design choice forced on ebikes due to lack of throttle options due to moronic legislation that we should never have been adopted.
However there seems to be a weird mentality from some people that will support the EU at all times as a political choice rather than a realistic practical viewpoint. I see it all the time, they cannot explain their choice, they are completely irrational people but somehow they have to support the EU even when the legislation is terrible. However you see many countries of Europe where throttle ebikes are commonly used and openly used they just ignore the legislation. Bulgaria is one that comes to mind. Sometimes legislation is not in the interest of people and best ignored and that is certainly the case for banning throttles.
I personally don't even know why the cut off speed is 15.5mph it seems madness to me. The 20mph speed is common on many urban uk roads and would be the sensible option for the UK. You can easily cycle faster than 20mph on flats or downhill anyway without motor assistance. It would make sense to tie up ebike assistance with the urban 20mph limit but instead we have this 15.5mph nonsense.
Also why are we still calling all ebikes 250W it makes no sense. The crappiest weakest ebikes and ultra powerful hill climbing e-mountain bikes are still all called 250W its utter madness. We are out of the EU now so should start using sensible accurate legislation and certification which gives a clear indication of true wattage like the US certification. We shouldn't be pretending a ebike using over 1000W is a 250W motor.
The UK just needs to have sensible accurate non-manipulative certification for UK cyclists. Technical accurate but providing maximum safety standards. Really just an improvement of the UK certification before the EU certification where throttles were completely legal but a change to wattage and a 20mph assistance speed. I'm not saying the wattage needs to change in real terms just a 1000W ebike is actually called a 1000W ebike but still legal to use although I can see the case for a 750W maximum true wattage but that would make many so called 250W legal ebikes illegal afterwards.
Yes, I'm 80 and agree about the Throttle......I would be lost without it
Hi Neal - There is no reason or need for it with my present bike (1986 Specialized frame with Tsdz2 motor with throttle), I can manage perfectly well. I have no room in my garage, two cars, lots of tools and other assorted junk a trike just won't fit.
I tried a couple of Trikes with 2 back wheels........Impossible to ride.......I've heard from others that If you are used to an ordinary bike you will have trouble with a Trike...and I did........I had a 24" step thru Freego, I have now downsized to a 20" folding Freego 2014..........from Ebay......excellent condition...and a Legit Full Throttle....
What have small boats got to do with Ebikes.....keep to the topic please..
As above try to keep on topic. though feel free to open a thread on why you think the far right are correct about what constitutes 'illegal' under international law when claiming asylum.
But please if any of you do so, post that thread in The Charging Post, the forum meant for subjects other than Electric Bikes.
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The post was explaining why the regulations on e-bikes are not changing in response to the needs of the citizens, and it mentioned other issues ignored by government which are caused by the same thing.
If you want solutions, you won't find them in two sentence sound bites. The perceptions and thinking will need to range more widely.
Wider ranging thinking not welcome.
I took the post down.
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By the way Andy, as the BBC shows, "Most voters think that immigration is too high. An Opinium poll in August found that 71% feel that way. But nearly everyone who is now backing Reform (97%) expresses that view." That is hardly 'far right'.
You need to update your less than deadly put down of anyone who is further right than the SNP and that lunatic party that Corbyn has started. Even Starmer has realised he needs to put arrivals into old military camps rather than hotels. The BBC just said on the one o'clock news that a thousand arrived yesterday.
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We see some with an agenda who simply can't help themselves, by planting non topic related chat in to threads . It is also happening in the ebike fraud thread, now they are veering off talking about war and who is going to do what.
There is a general chat sub forum for things political or war mongering or other non ebike users should keep their views there where others can argue the toss amongst themselves, it is usually the same three or four users who derail threads .
And maybe the are good reasons why the regulations are not changing.
There are no doubt a few e-bike riders that 'need' to go faster.
There are also lots of people, pedestrians etc, that 'need' the current speed limit to be enforced and not increased.
I'd go one more step and give a solution! Just implement s-pedelec class, facilitate the insurance issues around it, and ban them from cycle paths.
lf you buy a Mirider certainly the older one with the KT controller you can go into the setup menu and turn on the throttle function.
You'll need to download the "KT controller" setup instructions which will tell you how to do it.
l assume this works on any Ebike with the KT controller.
Obviously the throttle function is not legal in the UK, and for use on private land only!
You'll need to download the "KT controller" setup instructions which will tell you how to do it.
l assume this works on any Ebike with the KT controller.
Obviously the throttle function is not legal in the UK, and for use on private land only!
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Then any speed control device is legal as it isn't simply twist and go, one has to pedal first to get power.
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Then any speed control device is legal as it isn't simply twist and go, one has to pedal first to get power.
It is possible some bright spark will come up with a voice command to interact with the controller, it shouldn't be that hard to do. I can think of at least one way to implement such a system using a smartphone and a Bluetooth interface. It would need to have a significantly exotic command set to avoid a chance utterance from a passerby suddenly giving your bike full throttle when on a crowded promenade!
That reminds me of some experience I had with Voice Attack for gaming. It allows you to use your voice to initiate complicated multiple key-stroke commands and macros. I was hunting down a notorious pirate, who was extremely difficult to find. After hours of searching, I found him leaving a space station so I shouted the command to deploy all weapons and prepare my ship for combat. The command was "Guns. Unfortunately, my ship turned around and boosted away. By the time I got control back, the pirate was gone. Voice Attack misheard me and executed the command "Run". The moral of the story is to make sure that any voice commands are always discernible from each other.
I can see problems with voice commands on a bicycle because of wind noise and other background noise. It would be terrible if some car driver shouted, " cyclist Foff", and your bike switched off in the middle of traffic.
I have one of these things on my motorbike that does navigation, music and anything you need from Google. I have a bluetooth headset inside my helmet, so I can both use "hey, Google" voice commands and listen to any instructions or music.
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A bluetooth gumshied with buttons behind teeth activated by the tongue, is the only sensible option. Four programmable buttons on the left (depending on how many teeth the patron has on that side), and a sliding throttle control strip on the right half. Guerney's Blueteeth Gumbutton LicknGo™ is invented! Detailed diagram---> 
Tongue the go button and away she goes etc.
Tongue the go button and away she goes etc.
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