Prices of the electricity we use to charge

[saneagle]

How much storm water would get inside the panels? Most of the materials used are impervious to water anyway (glass, aluminium, plastic, rubber, electric cables etc). Nothing soluble comes to mind.
I think you exaggerate the amount of harmful substances in modern solar panels. Lots of them have ROHS declarations. There are comparatively tons more in building materials that people live next to.

No water can get in, normally, but those ones on the solar farm were all smashed up, which is what they do in the recycling centre to get the chemicals out. Didn't you see them? One lot had been bombarded by giant hailstones that smashed every panel, and the others were picked up and smashed into each other by the hurricane/tornado, leaving just a pile of tangled metal and glass shards.

 

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electric cars run software connected to servers to work no server no car

planned obsolescence like my bike as new smart batts will not work on older motors.

shitmano wont even sell you a motor out of warranty because you throw it in to the bin and buy a new one every 2 years

 

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they dont even have the code to reset the batts bms and it still dont work said to buy a new batt for 40k

 

[AndyBike]

but those ones on the solar farm were all smashed up

Yeah and its likely the only pic of them damaged you'll ever see, as its just a bit of anti-renewable propaganda uploaded over and over and over.

You'll never get them uploading pics of China's 3 gorges solar farm. Just keep convincing the Western plebs they're better paying through the nose for gas and oil produced electricity.

 

[Woosh]

electric cars run software connected to servers to work no server no car

planned obsolescence like my bike as new smart batts will not work on older motors.

shitmano wont even sell you a motor out of warranty because you throw it in to the bin and buy a new one every 2 years

EVs come with self driving software so servers are necessary but it's not just EVs. You have the same for high performance cars, no matter which fuel they use.
On balance, would you rather stop all the software updates?

 

[saneagle]

Yeah and its likely the only pic of them damaged you'll ever see, as its just a bit of anti-renewable propaganda uploaded over and over and over.

You'll never get them uploading pics of China's 3 gorges solar farm. Just keep convincing the Western plebs they're better paying through the nose for gas and oil produced electricity.

smashed up solar farm - Google Search

www.google.com

 

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EVs come with self driving software so servers are necessary but it's not just EVs. You have the same for high performance cars, no matter which fuel they use.
On balance, would you rather stop all the software updates?

ill make my own car and software then it will last forever check ebay for tesla motors

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also both the p1 and lambo dont self drive and are hybrids bar the p1 as he ripped it all out as can bus locked

 

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[AndyBike]

smashed up solar farm - Google Search

www.google.com

Oh thats from storm damage, hurricanes etc.

Not surprising really, as big storms rip homes apart. So that being the point, what exactly is their point ?
Are we to stop building houses in case some occasional and random storm comes along and might take the roof off

 

[saneagle]

Oh thats from storm damage, hurricanes etc.

Not surprising really, as big storms rip homes apart. So that being the point, what exactly is their point ?
Are we to stop building houses in case some occasional and random storm comes along and might take the roof off

The point is that when a storm damages a house, somebody has to pay for repairs, but when a storm smashes up a field of solar panels, there is nothing you can do to get the glass out of the grass, nor the very poisonous chemicals out of the ground. It renders the fields useless and risks poisoning water creatures and anything else when the chemicals leech into the water course.

 

[Woosh]

The point is that when a storm damages a house, somebody has to pay for repairs, but when a storm smashes up a field of solar panels, there is nothing you can do to get the glass out of the grass, nor the very poisonous chemicals out of the ground. It renders the fields useless and risks poisoning water creatures and anything else when the chemicals leech into the water course.

You can't get a ROHS certificate if it's that dangerous. The tiny amount of dangerous chemicals are not even in the panels which is made of silicon. I bet you don't know where and what amounts of dangerous chemicals are in those panels.

 

[Woosh]

Substance	Common in	Encapsulated?	Risk of Leaching (Normal)	Risk (Landfill)
Lead	c-Si panels	Yes	Very low	Low to moderate
Cadmium	CdTe panels	Yes	Very low	Moderate
Selenium	CIGS panels	Yes	Very low	Moderate
Arsenic	CIGS, GaAs	Yes	Very low	Moderate

Note: all encapsulated.

 

[AndyBike]

Well thats that argument out the window.

But even then, the glass part of it is kind of a non starter really, in that nothing is going to use those fields for grazing, and what does go to ground will be weathered eventually.

And of course nothing like the toxic damage caused by fracking or oil or gas extraction. Common ingredients include methanol, ethylene glycol, and propargyl alcohol. Those chemicals, along with many others used, are considerably hazardous to human health.

I think all in all I'd be more comfortable producing electric from solar/wind/wave than all other forms.
That said though Nuclear is probably going to supply the bulk of our needs in the future

 

[saneagle]

You can't get a ROHS certificate if it's that dangerous. The tiny amount of dangerous chemicals are not even in the panels which is made of silicon. I bet you don't know where and what amounts of dangerous chemicals are in those panels.

Like EV fires, nobody expected them, so nobody made any regulations. Now we're starting to see EV charging and parking regulations and prohibitions more and more for the sake of safety. It's going to be just the same with solar farms. The first one is treated as a one-off, but after a few more storms, somebody will realise how big a problem it is and have to do something - just like all the scrap GRP wind turbine blades that nobody knows what to do with, so they just bury them. They never thought of that either until it happened.

 

[Woosh]

Like EV fires, nobody expected them, so nobody made any regulations. Now we're starting to see EV charging and parking regulations and prohibitions more and more for the sake of safety. It's going to be just the same with solar farms. The first one is treated as a one-off, but after a few more storms, somebody will realise how big a problem it is and have to do something - just like all the scrap GRP wind turbine blades that nobody knows what to do with, so they just bury them. They never thought of that either until it happened.

There is always room for improvement but compared to the amount of concrete and steel used in the average power station gas, diesel, biomass or nuclear, the amount of dangerous materials in solar panels is absolutely tiny. I guess we will see more perovskyte panels in the future because of their low cost and high efficiency. There is about 0.2g to 0.4g of lead in each perovskyte panel but encapsulation will mitigate the risk. Don't forget that you can process obsolete solar panels much more easily than an old car or and old building.

 

[saneagle]

There is always room for improvement but compared to the amount of concrete and steel used in the average power station gas, diesel, biomass or nuclear, the amount of dangerous materials in solar panels is absolutely tiny. I guess we will see more perovskyte panels in the future because of their low cost and high efficiency. There is about 0.2g to 0.4g of lead in each perovskyte panel but encapsulation will mitigate the risk. Don't forget that you can process obsolete solar panels much more easily than an old car or and old building.

What would you do with a field of broken glass, other than build on it? Maybe that's part of the plan. It sounds like a good way to get building permission on farm land.

 

[Woosh]

What would you do with a field of broken glass, other than build on it? Maybe that's part of the plan. It sounds like a good way to get building permission on farm land.

Give me a digger, I'll clear it. Seriously, the glass can be simply ground down and returned to sand.

 

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In the Southwest of England, solar panel owners can export excess electricity to the grid through the Smart Export Guarantee (SEG) scheme, earning a flat rate of 4.1p per kWh.

so i have made 8.2p in 30 days under the export fee wont be any point replacing them when the feed in tarrif ends.

plus if you have a power cut they dont work anyway

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and looks like i sold my aircon so will get a 3kw diesel generator ready for the power cuts

 

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Gaza before and after: Satellite images show destruction

Israeli aerial strikes on the Palestinian territory have reduced parts of the north to rubble.

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war beats global warming

 

[saneagle]

Give me a digger, I'll clear it. Seriously, the glass can be simply ground down and returned to sand.

Don't forget that it's full of toxins, so you're going to grind it down and use it for the kids sand pit or cement your new patio with it. Is that right?