Prices of the electricity we use to charge
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Well the US doesn't have a great track record of building & maintaining infrastructure, at least Mr Xi has no issues with printing money to build roads and high speed rail, granted it goes nowhere. I wonder if that is why they are digging deep holes, a dry run for the moon...
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When I worked in pubs, there was one landlord, he died mid 50's, half a bottle of southern comfort in the morning and 2 pints, before he drove to the cash n carry. The only guy, by lunch that could single handily shake a cupa soup, stirred. Then finish off the Comfort and hit the bitter barrel till bed.
This won't be a serious problem for a long time yet, we e-car users aren't daft. Why would I choose to pay over £40 to charge my car at a public point when it costs just over £4 for a split charge at home? If I can possible avoid it I don't of course.
Thats why over 80% of all e-car charging is done at home, predominantly at night from cheap rate electricity when there's a huge surplus on the grid and some users are PAID to use some!
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I think the charging issue concerns people who live in flats who can't run a line from their flat to their car. There must be somehow a better charging scheme than those sky high prices at the moment. We also need a way to secure the charging cable.
But again not in any way a big issue for a long time yet:
Flat dwellers in that position are not rushing out to buy e-cars of course.
Those in London affected by the ULEZ charge will face savings with an e-car rather than cost, no congestion charge either of course. £24 a day ULEZ and congestion charge more than covers any commute's electricity cost of overnight charging, it subsidises the e-car purchase.
For many in the big cities like London they can use lamp post chargers. Ubitricity have installed well over 7000 in London so far and that is increasing very rapidly. And they are no dearer than many household tariffs. As of 3rd May 2023, Ubitricity's standard pricing rate is 40p per kWh for customers accessing via the Ubitricity app. Those using the Bonnet app get a discount on these prices. Off-peak pricing at 37p per kWh is available between midnight and 7am.
And 8.5% of all Britain's 42,000 public chargers are free to use. The three areas with the highest number of free EV chargers are Scotland with 1,060, the South East with 489, and Greater London with 355, so many can benefit from those.
There are even many who can benefit from cheap or free charging at their place of work.
There's also been a huge growth in e-vans, again all charged overnight at cheaper rates when there's plenty of surplus current.
There's far too much pessimism being expressed on this subject, mostly very ill informed.
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Some of it is very well informed too. I travelled with my sister from East Grinstead to telford. It takes me about 3 hrs in my 60 mpg Peugeot Partner diesel van and about the same with my Honda Forza 100 mpg scooter. The journey took 6 hrs and was very stressful apart from the first 120 miles until she needed to find somewhere to charge. It's no fun doing a tour of Birmingham during the rush hour. On top of that she ended up paying the same as what I pay for diesel. I'm sure they're fine for doing shopping, school runs and visiting your local friends, but there's a long way to go before you can use them for longer journeys. When was the last time you went on a 200 mile journey in your car, Flecc.
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When I last went on a 200 mile journey is irrelevant. What is relevant is how many do need to go on such journeys and how often. The answers are very few and very rarely, in a country where the average annual car mileage is 7,300 and where over half the cars are parked and idle most of their life.
There are also relevant questions, such as why your sister is driving an e-car with range not meeting her needs. If because she'd needed to change her car, full i.c cars are on sale for another six years and hybrid i.c for another eleven years, both permitted for the full average life of 23 years. A question such as why leave it until Birmingham to charge when the motorway and its immediate surroundings have so many charge points well before to top up.
As I've pointed out many times, an i.c. car leaves home partially depleted, an e-car leaves full. Therefore the refuelling strategy is fundamentally different and driving an e-car requires a totally different approach to refuelling with planning the key, aided by the onboard information of most e-cars.
So I don't regard the situation you describe as a good example of being well informed, either with regard to the refuelling or possibly the ownership of the car.
But most relevant of all to objections is the following. There are over 28 million households in Britain with at least 60% able to have a home charge point. That's 16.8 millions. There are some 32 million cars in Britain with an average of 23 years life, meaning the replacement rate is 1.4 millions per year. So it will take 12 years just to furnish those who can have home charge points with an e-car. That's 12 years not from now, but from 2030, or 2035 for hybrids. Only then will those without any home charging facility be materially affected, but by then the infrastructure will be radically better of course. It will be the remaining i.c. car owners complaining about the lack of petrol stations!
So there are no real problems, only those caused by unsuitable and/or unnecessary e-car purchases. The infrastructure is adequate for most but during any such major change it will always play catch-up in remoter areas. Just as at the birth of the car when petrol was bought from Chemists shops in gallon cans.
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National Grid to drain electric car batteries at times of peak demand
Trial will see cars plugged into grid to ease burden on Britain's creaking energy infrastructure
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Trial will see cars plugged into grid to ease burden on Britain's creaking energy infrastructure
Energy crisis: Electric car owners to give power to National Grid
BRITAIN'S energy crisis is given a helping hand through a trial that will draw power from parked cars at times of low supply or high demand.
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You need to be better informed. There are a number of e-cars with summer ranges around 350 miles, winter 200 miles, and at least two with 500 mile summer ranges. Most newer ones have ultra rapid charging anyway, adding 100 miles in around five minutes from some ultra-rapid charge points.m8s girl friend is a company rep and she can do 200 miles a day so any electric car would be useless prob better of using the company's helicopter lol
You and MikelBikel amuse me, for ever trying to put down e-cars. They are already here to stay, 1.4 millions in this country plugging in. They are not going to go away and they will take over. Not just cars either, both bus routes serving my London estate are fully battery electric and very nice and silent too. Just like many of the courier vans here.
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Honestly you can be so out of date! This is old news and very welcome, the sooner the better. Then like Denmark we e-car owners will have lower electricity bills. But of course this being Britain it won't happen for at least ten years,the first trial here was over two years ago!National Grid to drain electric car batteries at times of peak demand
Trial will see cars plugged into grid to ease burden on Britain's creaking energy infrastructure
Energy crisis: Electric car owners to give power to National Grid
BRITAIN'S energy crisis is given a helping hand through a trial that will draw power from parked cars at times of low supply or high demand.
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i know what there plan is shame you have not got a clue, they dont want ppl like us driving cars they want rid of the gas wood burning stoves a electric car will be useless if the grid drains it flat over night.
its all about control will you pay a subscription fee to use ur car lights at night will you pay 5 quid per mile or 10 or 15 because thats what is coming owning any car will be only for the super rich.
it will become a technocratic hell hole you will be watched 247 and even fined for farting out side and pay as you go toilets in ur own home
its all about control will you pay a subscription fee to use ur car lights at night will you pay 5 quid per mile or 10 or 15 because thats what is coming owning any car will be only for the super rich.
it will become a technocratic hell hole you will be watched 247 and even fined for farting out side and pay as you go toilets in ur own home
You're getting confused between the truth and myth:i know what there plan is shame you have not got a clue, they dont want ppl like us driving cars they want rid of the gas wood burning stoves a electric car will be useless if the grid drains it flat over night.
its all about control will you pay a subscription fee to use ur car lights at night will you pay 5 quid per mile or 10 or 15 because thats what is coming owning any car will be only for the super rich.
it will become a technocratic hell hole you will be watched 247 and even fined for farting out side and pay as you go toilets in ur own home
Backing up the grid peaks from e-car batteries is good for us consumers and just an example of a country using it's resources sensibly.
But of course the eponymous "they" dont want the majority driving cars, it was a great pity the majority were ever allowed to. I won't be around to see it, but the reduction of future driving will be very welcome to those living then.
An example of how little you know and understand:
The whole point of V to G is to back up the grid at peak times of the day. There are no overnight demand peaks, only surpluses, so batteries cannot be drained then.
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i have not worked for 20 years and next year i will buy my council house out right for penny's on the pound where has working all ur life got you and paying tax nowhere lol.
you wont want to live in this country with whats coming because you wont be able to afford it we have been sold out to the corporate global kabal who wef ect.
my bosch bike is a unfixable heap of shite that if not for peter would have been down the skip long ago electric cars are the same renewable tech you thow in the bin and go buy a new one for 10k because they wont sell parts out of warranty.
m8 has a canyon ebike with a shitmano motor and i can even buy a new motor for it because Madison wont sell me one for 1000 quid.
apple computers same thing no parts and even if you have the parts unless you can serialize it to the phone it wont work.
if i want a electric car i can build one my self and not have all that crap to deal with and tracked 247 none of this crap is about air quality or savings of anything but total and complete control over every thing you do and eat where you go and how far and dont call anyone a nasty name cos those ulez cams have audio why do you think the blade runners are ripping them down or choping the cables
cbdc will mean to the end of paper money because the fieat money system is based on debt like a giant ponzi scam and its going bust fast.
house prices crashing thro the floor covid jab killing off millions excess deaths thru the roof lets ask a question.
back in the days when my nan and grand dad was alive if a black man knocked on there door he whould have the shot gun in his face so the sooner i can buy this dump wait 5 years and im out of this shite hole
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you wont want to live in this country with whats coming because you wont be able to afford it we have been sold out to the corporate global kabal who wef ect.
my bosch bike is a unfixable heap of shite that if not for peter would have been down the skip long ago electric cars are the same renewable tech you thow in the bin and go buy a new one for 10k because they wont sell parts out of warranty.
m8 has a canyon ebike with a shitmano motor and i can even buy a new motor for it because Madison wont sell me one for 1000 quid.
apple computers same thing no parts and even if you have the parts unless you can serialize it to the phone it wont work.
if i want a electric car i can build one my self and not have all that crap to deal with and tracked 247 none of this crap is about air quality or savings of anything but total and complete control over every thing you do and eat where you go and how far and dont call anyone a nasty name cos those ulez cams have audio why do you think the blade runners are ripping them down or choping the cables
cbdc will mean to the end of paper money because the fieat money system is based on debt like a giant ponzi scam and its going bust fast.
house prices crashing thro the floor covid jab killing off millions excess deaths thru the roof lets ask a question.
back in the days when my nan and grand dad was alive if a black man knocked on there door he whould have the shot gun in his face so the sooner i can buy this dump wait 5 years and im out of this shite hole
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There are elements of truth in the things you post and some of the things you forecast have already been here for some while.
But you are wrong on this:
All the remaining decades have been in affluent retirement, doing what pleases me most and easily affording everything I wanted.
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But you are wrong on this:
I haven't worked all my life, far from it. My employments spanned 38 years, most of them could hardly have been more cushy with others usually working for me over 33 of those years. I've no doubt I've done far less actual work than you. I even managed to get only eight years of school, and some of that part time.
All the remaining decades have been in affluent retirement, doing what pleases me most and easily affording everything I wanted.
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But I pay hardly any since there's no tax on capital, just that on income and interest. And most of my capital was made from property and Margaret Thatcher's stupidity.but i dont pay any tax
But the best measure of success is that in every year of very comfortable retirement my income after a little taxation has greatly exceeded my outgoings. Even after the recent huge rises in costs.
You don't appear to have any comfortable pension future.
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