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Story on the Jeremy Vine show at noon on Radio 2 about a cyclist caught going through a red light.

Don't know the full story, but it might be entertaining?
 

Biker44

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Jan 12, 2012
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Story on the Jeremy Vine show at noon on Radio 2 about a cyclist caught going through a red light. Don't know the full story, but it might be entertaining?
The Telegraph had this story yesterday, despite it having happened sometime last year (April or earlier?).

The police discuss it here: PC Stout vs Cyclist - UKPOLICEONLINE Discussion Forum - Page 2 and eventually satisfy themselves (and me) that a cycle is a vehicle under the Road Traffic Act (strangely, a lot of them seem unsure). As such, an offence was committed and an arrest could have been made (obviously). In the event, it's the policeman who committed the offence, that of assault/battery.

Youtube no longer has the video, it says ""Am i obliged to answer ..." This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Spiritual Entertainment Ltd. Sorry about that." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ7M6aJmGls

'Frustrated' police officer confronts lawyer cyclist - This is the moment a police officer tries to pull a head camera from a cyclist after stopping him for allegedly jumping a red light.

By Daily Telegraph Reporter - 16 Jan 2012

The PC appears to lash out when the rider continually argues with him and refuses to give his details during the incident on Edgware Road, in central London.

The rider tells the officer, known only as PC Stout, that he is not obliged to give the requested information and in turn the PC threatens him with arrest.

But the document the policeman cites as law – which is known as IDCOPPLAN – is in fact only a guideline that helps police decide whether or not to make an arrest.

Challenging the officer’s knowledge, the cyclist says: “Before I give you my surname can you tell me what the detail of that law is?”

Unable to answer the question directly, PC Stout replies: “You're obliged to give me your details for me to issue you a ticket.”

The cyclist sticks to his guns and does not give the details needed for a ticket to be handed to him, and the officer admits that he does not know the wording.

The cyclist, who admits to being "a student of the law", then asks: “You are telling me you don't need to know what the law is?”, the policeman asks if he wants to turn the camera off.

The biker responds saying: “No I don't want to turn it off. It's my right to carry it with me and to film this to make sure for my own protection and for yours.”

He is then asked for his documents but, as he is not driving a car, he does not have any documents to hand over.

PC Stout repeats his threat saying: “I have got no further option but to arrest you.”

The exchange continues until the biker says “how am I meant to know what I am doing?” but is cut off as PC Stout appears to put his hand over the camera.

Before cycling off he shouts “Can you not touch me? You touched the camera, you tried to touch the camera, don't you dare do that.”

A Met Police spokesman said: "We were first made aware of this video in June 2011 when the incident was published on YouTube and the officer concerned received advice with regards to use of the Road Traffic Act.

"The cyclist concerned was later spoken to about this matter. The officer was right to stop the cyclist and we would like to remind all cyclists of the dangers of not stopping when a red light is shown at traffic lights."
 

mike killay

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Frankly, I am really annoyed by cyclists who force their way through traffic against a red light. It clearly annoys motorists and this rebounds upon us all.
 

steveindenmark

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I saw this on Youtube a few weeks ago.

The cyclist was one of these guys who you would love to get hold of and shove your bike pump where the sun does not shine.

The jist of the story was that the police officer wanted to give him a fixed penalty ticket for jumping a red light and the cyclist was questioning if he had to give his details to the police officer. It was the way he was asking which made him sound totally obnoxious.

As an ex police officer I found the constables lack of basic law quite surprising. The answer to the question is quite simple. If you refuse to give your details for the issuing of a fixed penalty notice you must then be dealt with by summons. If you refuse to give your details in order for a summons to be issued then you are liable to arrest until those details are given and can be verified.

The constable did not know this and he should have. He looked quite stupid and even took himself down to the level of the cyclist and became almost as obnoxious. In the end the cyclist rode away and left the constable looking like an idiot.

Personally, I would not have too upset arresting the cyclist and putting him in the back of a police van. He really did nothing to improve the cyclists lot.

Steve
 

Biker44

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Frankly, I am really annoyed by cyclists who force their way through traffic against a red light. It clearly annoys motorists and this rebounds upon us all.
At the risk of making myself enduringly unpopular with my fellow car-drivers, we don't have zebra crossings because pedestrians were considerate and patient and intelligent.

We have them because pedestrians were selfish and impatient - in fact, they were often downright stupid.
 

flecc

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we don't have zebra crossings because pedestrians were considerate and patient and intelligent.

We have them because pedestrians were selfish and impatient - in fact, they were often downright stupid.
And they have the right to be, walking is the natural order. Vehicles are the unnatural intruders which have to give way to walkers.
 

NRG

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Its on iPlayer if you missed the Jeremy Vine show, the officer failed to caution the cyclist and obviously didn't know the law.