Raleigh dover -3 speed or 8?

TylerD

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I've been trying for ages to test ride a panasonic but no Kalkhoff dealers yet in Scotland unfortunately. However my (fairly) local Raleigh dealer is able to get a Dover 3-speed stepthrough for me to have a go on this week . I see now that there's also an 8-speed, I wonder if anyone can give me some advice on the benefits of the 8 over the 3. I'm thinking this may include hill climbing ability , which is something I'm really keen to be as good as possible . Thanks:)

ps also hoping to arrange a test ride on a Compy, so far have read only good things about it
 

TylerD

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pps. I also meant to ask if anyone knows whether the new , bigger capacity, Kalkhoff battery can be used on the Dover as I understand the Dover and Agattu are practically the same bike.
 

tillson

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The 8 speed has a wider spread of ratios, 306% I believe. I'm not sure what the ratio range is on the 3 speed hub, bit it will be narrower. The narrower range may not be a problem, depending on your intended use. If the terrain is widely varying between flat, hilly, very hilly and climbing the side of a house, you will be happier with the 8 speed version.

Ps. Don't know about the bigger battery. Logic would suggest that it can since both bikes come out of the same factory, but as suggested in a recent thread, check with the supplier before buying.
 

flecc

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The gear range on the 3 speed is 198%. I'd always recommend the 8 speed since the 3 speed low ratio will still be a bit on the high side for the steeper hills, the 3 most suited to flatter areas where there are only occasional moderate hills.

The battery mount on the Raleighs is identical, you can fit the Kalkhoff-BMZ alternatives.
 

10mph

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I wonder if anyone can give me some advice on the benefits of the 8 over the 3. I'm thinking this may include hill climbing ability , which is something I'm really keen to be as good as possible .
I may be able to help as I faced almost exactly that choice. I had more or less decided on a step-thru Kalkhoff or Dover. I had a test ride on an older Agattu (only 7 speeds) arranged by 50 cycles with one of their previous customers who was acting as a demonstrator. You can arrange to meet a demonstrator if there is one nearby or perhaps even have a bike sent to you for a test ride through their web page.

I then saw the almost identical Dover 8 speed model in a local shop, but it was more money. Since I felt I did not need the back up of service from a local shop I decided not to pay more money for a Dover.

Next, I saw that 50 cycles was selling a even cheaper option - a 3 speed Agattu with a small 8Ah battery. Attracted by the lower price I travelled to their Richmond showroom to try it out. I was particularly interested if to find out if I was strong enough to pedal it up steep hills. I was and I surmounted Nightingale Lane a couple of times see my test report. 5.6mph up a hill averaging 12% gradient. This was good enough for what I need.

When I ordered the bike I had the 8Ah battery swapped out for the 18Ah, since sometimes I need to ride over 30 miles. The batteries are in identical cases, so as the swap works for the Kalkhoff Aggatu and I can't see why it would not for the Raleigh Dover.

To return to the gearing, I bought the 3 speed to save money and it is fine for me and my hills. If you are weaker and heavier than me (93Kg), and have hills over say 5% you might want to go for the 8 gear. In 2 months I have improved my stamina quite a bit, and last Saturday I flew up a 5% half a mile long hill at around 14 mph in top gear with no need to change down, so I am very well pleased with 3 gears for my locality.

The other thing to consider is your required maximum speed. Except when I am on a "mission", I am actually completely satisfied to be trundling along at 10-12 mph. If I was commuting and always wanted to pedal near and above the bike's assistance cut-off speed, then I would definitely advise getting the 8 speed which will bring down the pedal cadence rate in top gear.

I measured the 3 gear ratios on the Agattu and reported them in this thread.

I will be in Leeds at the end of the month with my Agattu (on some hills), but I suppose that will be much too far for you to travel for a try out.
 
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TylerD

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Thanks very much everyone. I have some big hills locally and am not that fit so it does sound as though the 8 speed would be better, though I'll try the 3 speed anyway to see what a panasonic feels like compared to my Wisper. And thanks for the offer of a ride on your Agattu 10mph,if you were closer I would take you up on it.As I've just said in another post I've also found a Tonaro supplier in Scotland and am going to test out the Compy tomorrow so by the end of the week I should have a better idea of what to go for. Thanks again all, your advice is really appreciated :)
 

rolando177

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The 8 speed Dover is no longer featured in the Raleigh ebike brochure - only 3 speed Dover and 7 speed Leeds.

I cycle across the Downs and find 8 speeds essential. 4th gear jumps frequently so the 7 speed should be much better.