Short report from the CORE bike show.

[Wisper Bikes]

Thanks David i used your figures and got 62% purchases less than the £1500 figure , I am a little surprised that 38% of purchases are in excess of £1500 , that must auger well for the higher and retailer admittedly on a very poor sample size.

Alan

Hi Alan is that based on number of bikes sold or revenue?

Thanks

David

 

[GORDONAL]

Hi David the figure is based on revenue , i was trying to work out the number of cycles in each category but gave up !!

Alan

 

[Kudoscycles]

Many of us attend the Eurobike show in Bavaria each year and travel in those beautiful vineyard valleys north of Friedrichshaven,alongside every road yet remote from the road is a pedestrian/cycletrack-these tracks clearly have been taken from farmer's fields yet the auto road is quite narrow and has no pavements. It's a completely different plan to the relationship between cars and bikes in the UK,but can you imagine the outrage from farmers to compulsory purchasing 3mtrs of land alongside every road!
It does make cycling and walking a safe delight in that part of the world,in wonderful countryside.
I wonder how and when the Germans achieved it?
Dave
Kudoscycles

 

[Deleted member 4366]

Hi Alan, I am sure that the figures are not absolutely accurate, due as Dave says to the relatively small number of people who responded, although I should say that I was pleased with the response as were the DfT.

Mark Loveridge who instigated the survey published the results here http://www.pedelecs.co.uk/forum/electric-bicycles/13148-beba-uk-survey-results-executive-summary.html

I have crunched the figures to reveal the following....

The figures show the top of the price band on the left and the valur of that band on the right.

i.e. £0 to £500 market value £15,620. £500 to £650 market value £19,844. £1,700 to £2,000 market value £81,650 etc. etc.


£500.00 £15,620.00
£650.00 £19,844.50
£800.00 £24,424.00
£950.00 £54,634.50
£1,100.00 £55,451.00
£1,300.00 £48,919.00
£1,500.00 £42,600.00
£1,700.00 £31,985.50
£2,000.00 £81,650.00
£2,200.00 £22,649.00
£2,500.00 £23,962.50

Total value £421,740.00

Average bike value £1,188.00

All the best

David

PS. Sorry Allan I missed a bit. The sample was taken from the survey on pedlecs, we also sent out the survey to all BEBA's members' customers and dealers.

I think you have to be careful with such statistics. They represent the prices of the the bikes of people who took part in the survey. I susppect they're a very skewed sample from the population of all ebike buyers. Those buying at the bottom of the market are probably less likely to be enthusiasts who'd want to take part in a survey.

 

[Wisper Bikes]

I think you have to be careful with such statistics. They represent the prices of the the bikes of people who took part in the survey. I susppect they're a very skewed sample from the population of all ebike buyers. Those buying at the bottom of the market are probably less likely to be enthusiasts who'd want to take part in a survey.

Hi d8veh, this is the problem with such a relatively new market. We have to be steered by any figures we can obtain. I am positive the survey was not seen by the 1000's who by the cheaper bikes from Tesco and the likes, it was certainly a survey answered by enthusiasts who would be more likely to purchase better bikes. The question is how do we get an accurate reading of the market? I would love to know!!

All the best

David

 

[Wisper Bikes]

I meant to add this image of the E4 crew at the venue in my first post!



All the best

David

 

[flecc]

Many of us attend the Eurobike show in Bavaria each year and travel in those beautiful vineyard valleys north of Friedrichshaven,alongside every road yet remote from the road is a pedestrian/cycletrack-these tracks clearly have been taken from farmer's fields yet the auto road is quite narrow and has no pavements. It's a completely different plan to the relationship between cars and bikes in the UK,but can you imagine the outrage from farmers to compulsory purchasing 3mtrs of land alongside every road!
It does make cycling and walking a safe delight in that part of the world,in wonderful countryside.
I wonder how and when the Germans achieved it?
Dave
Kudoscycles

Taking that 3 metres won't just be opposed by farmers, it's the environmentalists who will raise the loudest protest at the uprooting of hedgerows implicit in that act, affecting wildlife, air quality and wind soil erosion rates.

As for Germany, they have long had a tradition of very small farm ownership by large numbers of town/city living or working owners, almost hobby farms to the many of this type. Their perspective on roads and social needs will be far more broadminded than is common here in Britain, where the farming and country dwelling community is socially at odds with urban populations.

 

[Wisper Bikes]

Whilst in Berlin recently I noticed that new cycle paths were being sited on the far side of hedge rows away from the roads. Perfect solution for all but the farmers! A natural barrier for noise, wind and of course traffic, plus it gives other benefits to the cyclists as they can now relate to the flora and fauna thriving in the undisturbed hedgerows.

 

[Deleted member 4366]

Hi d8veh, this is the problem with such a relatively new market. We have to be steered by any figures we can obtain. I am positive the survey was not seen by the 1000's who by the cheaper bikes from Tesco and the likes, it was certainly a survey answered by enthusiasts who would be more likely to purchase better bikes. The question is how do we get an accurate reading of the market? I would love to know!!

All the best

David

I don't think that there was anything wrong in the way you did the survey, and I can't think of anything better. You just have to be careful in drawing any conclusions from it.

 

[Wisper Bikes]

We are striving to find better ways to get accurate market information, we will soon be making an important announcement which will immediately have a positive effect on being able to obtain better stats.

It was a wiser man than I that said "There are lies, damn lies and statistics!!". We all need to be aware that these figures give a very misty glimpse at the market.

All the best

David

 

[jackhandy]

Taking that 3 metres won't just be opposed by farmers, it's the environmentalists who will raise the loudest protest at the uprooting of hedgerows implicit in that act, affecting wildlife, air quality and wind soil erosion rates.
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No need to grub out the hedgerows - Just put a narrow cycle lane t'other side of them, separated from the field by a simple wire fence so's not to spoil the view. What better than having a 6' high Cornish hedge between me & the traffic?

Sorry David: Didn't get as far as your post, on similar lines.

I don't think farmers would effectively lose anything - They'l all squeak, of course, and demand compensation, but I don't know of many who use the last 3 ft. of headland.

 

[flecc]

I don't think farmers would effectively lose anything - They'l all squeak, of course, and demand compensation, but I don't know of many who use the last 3 ft. of headland.

The field margins left unplanted in UK farms are set aside for environmental reasons, to aid native plants and wildlife. To achieve the same ends means further intrusion if a cycle track is placed on the boundaries. There's also major problems with livestock fields if a cycle track is placed inside hedgerows, namely that a secondary fence will have to be installed complete with gates, and farmers won't be too pleased at the potential disturbance of their stock due to losing the hedge concealment previously enjoyed.

And once that land is taken away, who is going to cut the hedges? At present many if not most farmers cut both sides, thus saving a cost on the public side, but with a cycle track taking the land inside the hedge, local authorities will have to take on the whole cost of hedgerows maintenance, meaning we foot the bill. That means it won't just be three foot of space taken, it will have to be tractor and cutter arm width, and given the cost pressures local authorities are increasingly under, many hedges won't exist for very long before being grubbed out.
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[RobF]

The £1,000 limit on the cycle to work scheme has an impact on the price of e or ordinary bikes customers buy.

Topping up appears to be at the discretion of the retailer, some do not allow it even if the customer wants to.

 

[jackhandy]

I suspect farming practice in the home counties must be very different to where I live

 

[Electrifying Cycles]

The £1,000 limit on the cycle to work scheme has an impact on the price of e or ordinary bikes customers buy.

Topping up appears to be at the discretion of the retailer, some do not allow it even if the customer wants to.

Although you are able to go above £1000. I used to run a cycle scheme for a local authority. Public section organisations can go above this limit. However private organisation can but need a consumer credit licence to do so. The latter is not needed by public sector organisations, it took some digging but HMRC confirmed this. Although very few organisation have a limit above £1000, many organisations are not aware of this so stick to £1000

 

[flecc]

I suspect farming practice in the home counties must be very different to where I live

And not just the Home Counties, most of the main production places in England. You're conversing with someone whose brother is a lifelong farmer and who has spent lots of time helping him on his farms, I'm not a townie speaking from ignorance. I also have relatives farming in Cornwall, though not doing too good a job of it it must be said.