To all those who listen to the radio at work-useful info

Kudoscycles

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The PPL and PRS organisations collect royalties from businesses who play their radio at work,on behalf of artists and composers. They receive royalties on the sale of the music and also from radio stations who play the music,I think that is fair business.
But they also expect royalties from businesses who's employees listen to music at work.
I can understand the principle of this when a multi retailer uses music to enhance the shopping experience but the lady in the back of a small florist listening to music,which cannot be heard by the public,is under current law to pay royalties.
The following case was won by an italian dentist versus SCF,the italian version of PPL,this test case will have far reaching implications for lots of small businesses.
Anyone who has been contacted by the deceitful and bullying telephone tactics of both PPL and PRS will value this info.

Relevant to this site-the hundreds of small bike shops across the UK.who have a small workforce working out the back of the shop,who listen to the radio,but that radio is not audible in the shop selling area should question paying PPL or PRS royalties.

Società Consortile Fonografici (SCF) v Marco Del Corso

In this dispute between a collecting society and a dentist in Italy, the Court of Justice of the European Union (the CJEU) made it clear that for the purposes of the Rental Directive (Directive 92/100/EC) the playing of music to patients in a dentist's surgery was not a "communication to the public". In reaching this conclusion the CJEU regarded both the number of people communicated to and the reasons (profit making or otherwise) for the communication to be relevant:
the patients were not "persons in general" (they were a relatively fixed circle, as other people did not generally have access to treatment by that dentist)
they were insignificant in number ("the public" excludes groups that are too small)
they heard the music without any active choice on their part; and
they did not choose to attend this dentist or pay what they paid for treatment because of the music (the music broadcast was not likely, in itself, to have an impact on the income of that dentist - therefore it was not considered profit-making in nature).
This decision of the CJEU is to be contrasted with earlier decisions where it has ruled the playing of sound recordings in hotel rooms was a "communication to the public". Such provision was to a "not insignificant" group and was part of the package of services that enabled the hotels to charge the rates they did.
The British Dental Association's Chief Executive welcomed the CJEU's Del Corso decision and sought confirmation "...that this decision applies equally to the United Kingdom and should take immediate effect" and "assurances from both the Performing Rights Society and the Phonographic Performance Ltd that [they] will refund dentists who have already paid this year's licence".
The PRS and the PPL quickly pointed out they would still be seeking license fees from dentists and similar businesses. This was because they enforced infringement by performance/playing the relevant musical or literary works or sound recordings or broadcasting them (respectively) "in public" as well as or instead of by "communication to the public".
The public playing/broadcasting forms of infringement derive purely from UK legislation and unlike "communication to the public" do not have their roots in an EU Directive. Therefore when considering this type of infringement "the public" means what the UK courts have said it means and not what CJEU said it meant in the Del Corso case.
The UK courts have held that acts, 'in public' mean all acts that do not take place in a private and domestic setting. For example, the owners of a factory that played music broadcasts from the BBC and vinyl records via loudspeakers to their employees were found to be performing/playing musical works 'in public'. This was so even though strangers were not allowed into the factory.
This leaves the rather odd situation where "the public" means one thing in one part of the UK copyright act and another in another part of it. Therefore the UK courts may in future seek to close the gap or a further amendment may be made to UK legislation to bring the two types of infringement into line. Various business groups are lobbying for such a change. If this happens, then the licensing business model of several collecting societies will be significantly affected.

The PPL/PRS
 
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flecc

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The PRS and the PPL are indeed bullying organisations who abuse the law by seeking to use it unfairly with questionable broad interpretations of the letter and spirit of the law. Despite their protestations, this case is a valuable precedent, especially for member counties of the EU.

I think precedent could be useful too. For many decades from the 1930s on, Music While You Work, Workers Playtime and the like were broadcast by the BBC specifically for workplaces of all sizes and widely used, without a peep of protest from these organisations. Since they cannot possibly have not known this, they must have formerly accepted that as legitimate over all those many years, so any actions now could be argued to be vexatious litigation without merit.
 

muckymits

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In our BnB we have been told as long as we dont have music/tele in the dining room, let them swing for the tele's in the rooms. We are suppose to pay for any Video or DVD players and its just uneconomical for a small place.

Would be very sad if us small BnBs had to remove all the tele's.
 

billadie

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Some years ago I had a visit from PPL at my shop. The agent gave a long and rather threatening `speech' about the misuse of copyright music, how we might be defrauding performers and record companies etc. We do not listen radio or records at work. Being in an awkward mood I told him that I would be claiming against PPL for being forced to listen to his members music from open shop doors. cars etc. Didn't get me anywhere but he left looking a bit baffled. I put this down as a small victory.

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Kudoscycles

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Muckymits. Unfortunately on the same day that the EC found for the italian dentist,he found against an irish hotel,I think you have to pay about £45.00 annually to each organisation per TV. If you google it I am sure you will find the reference.
These PPL/PRS telephone chasers are very aggressive and abnoxious people,they are trained to catch out junior employees. They claim to be a not for profit organisation working on behalf of artists and composers,it does not stop them paying their directors massive salaries,I am told over £500,000 pa in some cases,don't suppose there is much 'profit' left after those salaries.
Just be careful,they seem to be on a 'catch all' program at present,they really don't care whether their claims are legally correct,I suspect the telephone chasers are on commision.
Don't get me wrong,if we are legally required to make these payments,for example like a TV licence I would gladly pay but its the way they go about their business which is so unpleasant and underhand.
If you google PPL/PRS telephone scam you can see that there are thousands of people fed up with them.
We play only royalty free music (imsradio.net) which they have no right to royalties so I have pleasure in telling them where to go when they ring up!
Dave
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neptune

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Instead of listening to the radio at work, why not train the workforce to sing, barber shop style. It would be safest to stick to traditional folk songs, which were written so long ago that nobody remembers who wrote them.
 

Kudoscycles

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Muckymits,be careful there are 2 organisations. I think PRS are less aggressive than PPL,certainly from recent events.
PPL and PRS for Music are two separate independent companies and in most instances a licence is required from both organisations for you to legally play recorded music in public. While both organisations licence the use of music and collect royalties for the music industry, each represents different rights holders and have separate licences, terms and conditions.

PPL collects and distributes money for the use of recorded music on behalf of record companies and performers. PRS for Music collects and distributes money for the use of the musical composition and lyrics on behalf of authors, songwriters, composers and publishers.