TONGXIN Datasheet/Dimensions/technical drawings ...

kitchenman

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currently trawling through the german pedelec site looking for any info that will help me with the making of one of these:

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If anyone can put me out of my misery then please do! ..
 

mike_j

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It doesn't look as though there are many really critical dimensions. The fixing holes pcd will need to be right, the thread is probably a a standard M series and if you have the original I should think any competent machinist could reproduce it within acceptable tolerance. I'm assuming that there is no exotic material or heat treatment involved.
 

kitchenman

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The fixing holes pcd will need to be right,
This is the bit that I'm having trouble with! ... I think I need a technical drawing that describes the 6 holes on the Tongxin hub ...
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kitchenman

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kitchenman

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Ok .. got what I need now ... I think! ....
Here are the measurements:
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So... My plan is to screw 2 chain rings using the exisiting holes. One with 18 teeth to connect to the front crank and one with 24 teeth to connect to the 15 teeth connected to my Rohloff ...
if anyone can spot any holes in my plan (sorry!) ... then please shout!
 

kitchenman

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Ok .. got what I need now ... I think! ....
Here are the measurements:
View attachment 2613

So... My plan is to screw 2 chain rings using the exisiting holes. One with 18 teeth to connect to the front crank and one with 24 teeth to connect to the 15 teeth connected to my Rohloff ...
if anyone can spot any holes in my plan (sorry!) ... then please shout!
btw .. in Germany they still have harware stores! ...... I don't suppose anyone knows where I can get brackets shown in photo? - 2 metal brackets and a half clamp.
 

jerrysimon

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Alan,

I am a little confused by the first picture are you saying you need another one of the screw on shaft shown ? Is it broken ? can't you use the exisitng part as a template ?

I have several Tongxin motors including a non working one for spares, which I am happy to strip down that part and send to you if you need it ?

See this here for my Tongxin strip down. The pictures near the bottom of the linked page show that part and how I had to cut it down.

That part comes in different lengths, especially if like me you have the Tongxin model that I ordered in error that is made for a roller brake fitting. I had to cut mine down as shown in your first german pedelec picture to make the fold on my Bromtpon tighter. Its all in my link if you have a look.

Ps just re-read your posts. Those holes are in the case cover and secure it to the internal clutch plate. The screws are not that long or substantial and I am not sure they will be sufficient to take the load of those rings ? Again don't you have the original to take the measurements off ?

Ah another look and just to say that the hole spacing/fixings on the main shaft does not match the hole spacing on the cover plate. Look again at my strip down post and you will see the internals.



It may work but as you can see above those screws on the cover plate attach and secure to that internal clutch ring not the fixing at the base of the shaft.

Regards

Jerry
 
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kitchenman

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Alan,

I am a little confused by the first picture are you saying you need another one of the screw on shaft shown ? Is it broken ? can't you use the exisitng part as a template ?
Sorry Jerry. I thought that the shaft was an extra component made as part of the using the hub for a chain/crank drive project that I've been trying to get to grips with all day! ... There is nothing wrong with my hub. Its not broken. Its still on my CX700 being used! ...
 

kitchenman

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Those holes are in the case cover and secure it to the internal clutch plate. The screws are not that long or substantial and I am not sure they will be sufficient to take the load of those rings ? Again don't you have the original to take the measurements off ?
Was thinking to change the screws to longer more substantial ones. So that they do what they're doing now i.e securing the internal clutch plate and accommodate the extra chain rings I'm going to add ... is that not a good plan?
 

kitchenman

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Ah another look and just to say that the hole spacing/fixings on the main shaft does not match the hole spacing on the cover plate. ...
It may work but as you can see above those screws on the cover plate attach and secure to that internal clutch ring not the fixing at the base of the shaft.
Ok. So I guess its not ideal! .... So, Jerry, How would YOU do this? Is it better to drill new holes in the plate which is what one of the germans did? ... or something else? ...
btw thanks for the offer to send me a new shaft! ...
 

jerrysimon

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Looking at the German Pedelec pics of the sprockets it appears they attach them to the outer case using the same screw/bolt holes as you say, but obviously as you say you would need longer screws. I guess you would also have to put a spacer between the sprockets to stop the two chains fowling each other. No need/or advisable to drill additional holes. I can't comment on the robustness of it all, though the outer plate also threads onto the casing. When you undo all those screws the internals spin freely and you have to line up the holes on the outside with the ones on the inside to insert the screws again.

I can't see why it would not work and I guess if the German Pedelec guys have done it then it must work of sorts. Some of those guys over there do some really neat stuff.

Regards

Jerry
 

kitchenman

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Looking at the German Pedelec pics of the sprockets it appears they attach them to the outer case using the same screw/bolt holes as you say, but obviously as you say you would need longer screws. I guess you would also have to put a spacer between the sprockets to stop the two chains fowling each other. No need/or advisable to drill additional holes. I can't comment on the robustness of it all, though the outer plate also threads onto the casing. When you undo all those screws the internals spin freely and you have to line up the holes on the outside with the ones on the inside to insert the screws again.

I can't see why it would not work and I guess if the German Pedelec guys have done it then it must work of sorts. Some of those guys over there do some really neat stuff.

Regards

Jerry
Cool! ... I'm going to have a go then. My Street Machine has spent too long in the shed and after a year of cycling its time for a change. The Tongxin has been excellent in my CX700 and is being promoted!
 

kitchenman

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Been thinking about the spoke holes in the hub. The germans machined them off for space reasons. I don't need to do that as I got loads of space. So.,... what about using the spoke holes to mount an adapter plate which I can use to connect my sprockets? .... Has anyone invented a "spoke hole adapter plate"? ... I lke the sound of it ...
 

kitchenman

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Been thinking about the spoke holes in the hub. The germans machined them off for space reasons. I don't need to do that as I got loads of space. So.,... what about using the spoke holes to mount an adapter plate which I can use to connect my sprockets? .... Has anyone invented a "spoke hole adapter plate"? ... I lke the sound of it ...
or .. a hub cap! ... one of these with a hole in it connected to the spoke holes with screws ...

Wheel Adapters|Lug Nuts|Wheel Spacers
 

kitchenman

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Thinking about the adapter plate idea. Anyone taken a internal gear hub apart? I could really do with a ribbed cassette spindle onto which I can slip my 2 sprockets. ...
 

kitchenman

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Thinking about the adapter plate idea. Anyone taken a internal gear hub apart? I could really do with a ribbed cassette spindle onto which I can slip my 2 sprockets. ...
Ok.. Trying to get hold of a product from First Principles that uses the spoke holes to attach an adapter plate that could be used for a disk brake ... (stay with me ..)
First Principles - Our Products
and then get some of these special bolt on cogs:
VeloSolo Shop - Disc Hub Mount Cogs and Accessories
 

Scottyf

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I'm intrigued with what you will be coming up with.

Keep us posted.
 

kitchenman

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No d8veh! ... great idea .. I think! ... can you just clarify how you have connected to the hub? .. Did you use the 6 holes that are in the hub? Its my understanding that these 6 holes are not the same as the 6 holes you would have in the disk version of the Tongxin ... or have I got this wrong? ...
 

Scottyf

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Could you not use the spoke holes to mount the actual motor and then use the axel to rotate a sprocket instead of the other way round?

Might be a daft idea as the spoke holes might not create good mounting brackets. Just an idea though.