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bugger - they are nice, the LBS just ordered them oxford, hopefully they'll do, tbf I did last well on the original cheapo all steel frame with rigid forks on a 350w, these oxford are similar in style.
The Surly do have nice eyelets for t-arms, plenty of mudguard mounts and look amazing, it never occurred to go up a price bracket or two. I always assumed wrongly that pricey was for downhill/enduro disk brake spenny or fatbikes not for us mere mortals - We really should start a thread with these little gems of knowledge. perhaps "Tried and tested quality brands and brand names"