Tyre Size Teaser

lemmy

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After yet another puncture on the rear wheel of my Kalkhoff Tasman yesterday - having had similar problems on my Agattu, I really must change the Continental Town rides it comes with. I had ridden an hour to central london to pick up a disk drive when the tyre went flat - leaving me to walk it to Waterloo and get a train home. Handy :mad:

Flecc advised Schwalbe Marathon Plus and I'll go with that. However, the tyre sizes on the Tasman show as 42-622/ 28x1.6. Schwalbe appear not to make the Marathon in this exact size but this area is such a mass of 'standards' that I'm in need of advice as to what would fit at all.

The rims are Rodi Vision double wall 622-19; 26" 559-19 and the Schwalbe web site for the available sizes is here

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lemmy

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Thanks for that - I had seen the page you linked to and was struck by the complexity and madness of it all. Still, it seems to confuse the tyre manufacturers as much as anyone, so I shouldn't feel too dumb!
 

Sir_Bob

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I think you muts be unluckey lemmy. my continentals have been very good to me. sometimes i ride down dark lanes on the way back from the sunday car boot. i dont get many punctures there atall, and sometimes there are nails and needles down there in the grass.
 

lemmy

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I think you muts be unluckey lemmy. my continentals have been very good to me. sometimes i ride down dark lanes on the way back from the sunday car boot. i dont get many punctures there atall, and sometimes there are nails and needles down there in the grass.
I've had puncture after puncture riding round here in west London. It isn't only me, my neighbour has a similar problem. I think I may be unlucky, even so.

I don't blame the tyres, mind you. The state of the roads round here, with potholes and cracks big and deep enough to buckle a wheel are disgraceful and they are so rarely swept that glass from broken bottles remains in the gutter for weeks. It's a marker on the way to local government being broke, I guess, so better get used to it. And I live in an 'affluent' area with the highest council tax in the country!
 

flecc

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Marathon Plus in the 700c x 38 size is what you need for the Tasman Lemmy, almost the same as 622 x 1.6, nominally 2 mm narrower though.

It's the last size in the list here:

All Terrain Cycles

but cheaper here where you choose the 38 width in the dropdown menu:

SJS
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lemmy

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Thanks Flecc. Of course, now you have advised me what tyres to buy and what size, I shall hold you responsible for any future punctures I sustain and will courier the bike to you for repair.

As Oscar Wilde remarked, no good turn goes unpunished. :D
 

flecc

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I don't think I'll have to work too hard at that! In all the years and on three bikes that I've used MPs I've had just one puncture on them, and that was caused by me arrogantly riding across piles of freshly cut blackthorn on a cyclepath so it could have been avoided.

Even then it was a very slow one so it didn't have to be repaired until I got home.
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Dynamic Position

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Marathon Plus in the 700c x 38 size is what you need for the Tasman Lemmy, almost the same as 622 x 1.6, nominally 2 mm narrower though.

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Lemmy,

It might be worthwhile fitting additional protection when you fit these tyres. I used Slime 26" Bike Tyre Liner Single from Halfords Price £7.99 on my old Raleigh bike and they seemed to work.:) Having read the reviews it appears that thorns may still present problems.:(
 

Mussels

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I've had puncture after puncture riding round here in west London. It isn't only me, my neighbour has a similar problem. I think I may be unlucky, even so.

I don't blame the tyres, mind you. The state of the roads round here, with potholes and cracks big and deep enough to buckle a wheel are disgraceful and they are so rarely swept that glass from broken bottles remains in the gutter for weeks. It's a marker on the way to local government being broke, I guess, so better get used to it. And I live in an 'affluent' area with the highest council tax in the country!
Rather than making generalised complaints about the alleged deficiencies of local government you can make a practical difference by registering a complaint on litter (including glass) by making use of this:

http://www.defra.gov.uk/environment/quality/local/litter/code/documents/cop-litter.pdf

I have done this in the past and got the litter collections frequencies in my area increased and got three more litter bins installed.
 

lemmy

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Rather than making generalised complaints about the alleged deficiencies of local government you can make a practical difference by registering a complaint on litter (including glass) by making use of this:[/URL]
I do dislike these kind of ''de haut en bas' replies. I am astonished that you think I have not complained.

My latest complaint is about a very dangerous cycle crossing on the A3. The council informed me that it was nothing to do with them and to send my complaint to TFL. This I did, email and letter and received no reply.

The holes in the road and glass in the gutter, by the way, are not alleged and, being about glass and potholes, are not generalised. The council have my photographs of them. We have quite a good council here but they have other priorities than cyclists.

My local high street, New Malden, has no cycle lanes or provision whatsoever in spite of a relatively recent re-design. That is how important cyclists are around here.
 

flecc

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Lemmy,

It might be worthwhile fitting additional protection when you fit these tyres. I used Slime 26" Bike Tyre Liner Single from Halfords Price £7.99 on my old Raleigh bike and they seemed to work.:) Having read the reviews it appears that thorns may still present problems.:(
Apart from Mussels point which I agree with, I don't think it's a good idea to combine any liners with the Marathon Plus tyres. These tyres have a thick inner layer which reduces the space for the tube and reducing that still further is very likely to lead to even more tube problems:

Marathon Plus Construction


Having bought and tested the slime liners I can't see that they do much good. Kevlar liners make sense since they resist penetration, but when I tested the soft plastic Slime liner it gave near zero resistance to penetration by nails, drawing pins or even a blunt ended thick piece of galvanised wire. All of them went straight through with hardly any finger pressure, far, far less than the weight of a bike and rider would exert.

Since the great majority of members have also reported the Slime liquid ineffective in the threads about that, it seems this company is making a good living out of near useless products.

Theirs aren't the only poor puncture prevention products of course, it's the nature of this market that invites the tricksters. When someone uses a product and them doesn't get a puncture they tend to feel the product is successful and often say as much, though in fact nothing of the sort is proven. It often merely means they weren't exposed to the risk of puncture and wouldn't have got one anyway, such is the random and spasmodic nature of punctures.

My own experience combined with the collected experience of others tend to indicate there's only two effective anti-puncture measures. One is that used by the Marathon Plus and equivalent Continental tyres, a very thick inner layer which together with the tread and tyre carcase exceeds the length of most penetrating items. The other is the kevlar type layer either built into the tyre or as an inner liner, these giving extreme resistance to penetration. However, both ways have a penalty in slightly increased rolling resistance.

The sealing compounds by Slime and others have only a slim chance of working with tubed tyres since the attempts to seal are broken as the deflating tube and tyre shift in relation to each other. In addition any slime that seeps between the deflating tube and tyre makes a sticky mess that makes subsequent patching very difficult. None of this is suprising of course, since these liquid sealants were invented for tubeless tyres where they work well, but were never intended for tyres with tubes.
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lemmy

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Having just fitted a new inner tube in to my Continental tyre I must say that what with dis-assembling the chainguard, unhooking the Nexus hub taking out the wheel and putting the lot back together, this is not something to do by the roadside. Reminds me of my motorcycles, really.

The standard Continental Town Ride tyre has little puncture protection, the carcass being quite light, and the tube was holed by a sliver of glass a few mm long. Having examined in a shop a Marathon Plus tyre (still waiting for delivery of the size for my bike), it would not have penetrated that.

I must say I'm not looking forward to having the wheel off again but with all the weight on the rear wheel and grot in the gutter, I'm regarding the Schwalbes as a must have.

Incidentally, after plenty of riding in the foul conditions recently, the chain is utterly pristine, shiny and the grease is still clean. A nuisance to remove but it should prolong chain and cog life a great deal.
 

JohnInStockie

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Having just fitted a new inner tube in to my Continental tyre I must say that what with dis-assembling the chainguard, unhooking the Nexus hub taking out the wheel and putting the lot back together, this is not something to do by the roadside.
What bike are you on Lemmy?
Im on a Pro Connect and I dont have to touch the chainguard, and the nexus hub is just 'into gear 1 and then slip out the knot', then loosen the brakes and off it all comes :confused:

John

EDIT - Just saw, Tasman. Odd, the PC doesnt touch the chainguard. Wonder why they added that? It takes me literally 2-3 minutes to take off the back wheel, more if I count putting on the latex gloves, probably less if I dont mind getting mucky :)
 
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lemmy

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It has a fully enclosed chain so without removing a part of it you can't get at anything. I guess repairing on the road I'd not refit it until I got home.

It has three or four bolts to undo so requiring a spanner and one part to assemble which requires three hands! It just makes a dreary job more so. I hope with tougher tyres I'll avoid the it and reap the benefits of the chain guard in less chain maintenance and longer life.

Here it is:

 

Sir_Bob

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why not use tyre weld? i used it once when i got a puncture in briteon and it worked all the way back to london. ;) :)
 

flecc

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why not use tyre weld? i used it once when i got a puncture in briteon and it worked all the way back to london. ;) :)
Most of the time they don't work on tubed tyres Bob, here's an extract from my answer above.

The sealing compounds by Slime and others have only a slim chance of working with tubed tyres since the attempts to seal are broken as the deflating tube and tyre shift in relation to each other. In addition any slime that seeps between the deflating tube and tyre makes a sticky mess that makes subsequent patching very difficult.

None of this is suprising of course, since these liquid sealants were invented for tubeless tyres where they work well, but were never intended for tyres with tubes.
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flecc

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As said Bob, most of the time they don't, but a few are lucky on the odd occasion. We've had a few threads on this and on the longest one, many posted about their failure and only two people said they worked.

Clearly you were one of the lucky ones.
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