wisper bike 905se on ebay germany at £860 plus £70 carriage no on ebay is 330189135317

That was exactly my impression when I looked yesterday Aldby, someone cashing in on a perceived demand with a scam.

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well someone has taken a chance on the bike hope they got a good deal and were not ripped of it would be interesting if it was someone from this site A

Oh well, fingers crossed for them. I suspect they'd get a bike but it would turn out to be the very similar 905e. They can be difficult to tell apart, and the 905se prototype at the New Milton show was actually a 905e dressed up a bit.

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Well done John, pleased for you, seems you've got a bargain after all.

 

I'd like to hear your impressions of it in due course, as I'm sure others will as well.

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Hi - I`m from E-Wheels Germany

 

Hi, this is Frank from E-Wheels Germany.

The WISPER WORKS 905se is the original WISPER 905se. We bought the bikes directly from WEVCO, and the reason we are clearing stock is the German market and legal situation: We are currently talking to David from WISPER (or WEVCO, that is Wisper electric vehicles co.) about the German edition. We need specific lights and dynamoo and other requirements for our market. It would be much to expensive for us to unpack and reconstruct every bike in our stock, so we decided to sell them for a very reasonable price, so that we can focus on our market in Germany with an edition fitting to German market. Unluckily we are well known for bureaucratically behaviour, and I vie myself also as a victim of such political and paper-term orientated needs.

The 905se is much more developed than the 905e: bigger frame tubes (e.g. 1.125 stem), a much better, adjustable front suspension, bigger wheels, 13Ah instead of 10A battery - to name only some highlights. But there is also a bit more work left for the lucky winners: The throttle needs to be installed, because it is not legal on German streets. In fact: It is in the carton, and we send installing advice, if anybody wanted to do so.

Next week we will continue our stock clearance.

Edited November 25, 200718 yr by E-Wheels Germany

Thank you for the explanation Frank. In fact David from Wisper had fully explained the specification to us previously and also assured someone your offer was indeed genuine.

 

It's good to know why your low price exists though.

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those wisper bikes went quicker than hot cakes hope you enjoy them it would be nice to hear how they go

Genuine

 

Hi Guys

 

Yes all is genuine, Frank is our partner in Germany, there are just a few left in Germany now, but do remember you must fit the de-restrict, on off buttons and throttle yourselves, the bikes also have dynamo lighting which is not standard on the UK version.

 

The next batch of 905e, 905se sport and city and the 705se step through will be available in early March 2008 with the new lithium ion polymer 14a 36v battery on the 905se's. If you want to secure one for the Spring drop me a line to david@wisperbike.com. They are selling very fast!

 

Best regards David

Sheep in Wolves clothing!

 

Oh well, fingers crossed for them. I suspect they'd get a bike but it would turn out to be the very similar 905e. They can be difficult to tell apart, and the 905se prototype at the New Milton show was actually a 905e dressed up a bit.

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You, as always, are absolutly correct Flecc!

 

However the new 905 range available in early 2008 does not share one component with the original 905e apart from the wheel rims!

 

Best regards David

Bikes from Germany

 

Please also consider that bikes bought in from Germany will need to be serviced by the German dealer, we can look after the bike here but there would obviously be a charge, and any warranter issues would be forwarded to Germany.

 

Best regards David

 

However the new 905 range available in early 2008 does not share one component with the original 905e apart from the wheel rims!

 

Best regards David

 

Really? Was the 905e that bad?

 

Only teasing David. I know that 905e customers are pleased with their bikes, but you can see how that could be construed.

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Please also consider that bikes bought in from Germany will need to be serviced by the German dealer, we can look after the bike here but there would obviously be a charge, and any warranter issues would be forwarded to Germany.

 

Best regards David

 

 

...and presumably Germany would forward the warranty claim to the manufacturer?

another wisper 905se on ebay germany

They're selling a few! I bought one this afternoon. There's a couple more up now including a display model.

 

I shall report back on how I find it!

 

Frank

I promised to report back on the Wisper 905 SE which I bought from Wisper's German dealer who decided to get rid of stock not suited to his market.

 

The bike arrived yesterday and I spent this morning setting it up - and didn't have much time for a ride so this is initial impressions only.

 

Set up was probably about three hours altogether. There was quite a bit to do including wiring up the throttle, fitting mudguards and rack and generally checking over and setting things up. I reminded myself of what I keep saying to others, which is that electric bicycles are not a great mail order product for this reason!

 

Highlights included the wiring being easy, as the German distributor had sent me a picture which clearly showed which bit plugged in where, and removing the back wheel, which is straightforward as there is a connector which allows you to disconnect the wire, making it no harder than on a normal bike.

 

The brakes were the low point. The front one works well (which is by far the most important thing) but seems to be slightly rubbing. I've no experience of disc brakes so am not too sure what to do. The rear one (v-brake) needed to have the spring tension adjusted so that the two sides sprung back evenly, but unfortuntately the metal around the adjuster screw disintegrated, so I suspect I will need new rear brakes - which is an irritation on an expensive bike but not the end of the world and probably not worth trying to invoke international warranties on - I'll just buy a new one tomorrow.

 

Apart from that back brake, the components appear to be good quality and the bike is very smooth and light (not weighed it yet).

 

A slight irritation is that you seem to have to take the seat out to remove the battery. Therefore I expect I will charge it on the bike in my garage - which I can do. But if I was keeping the bike outside this would be a pain.

 

The controller is rated at 18 amps. Given the 36V battery, that may imply a maximum power output of c650 watts, which I think may be slightly higher than the Torq.

 

Riding position seems fine. Plenty of additional seat post height for taller riders (I'm 5'7") and an inch or so to come down for smaller riders. Someone under 5'4" may need to ditch the suspension seat post (I may do this anyway out of personal preference). Handlebars have a reasonable amount of adjustment.

 

As I recalled from my test ride, it is high geared. There is a very large chainwheel with 52 teeth and the rear cluster is a 14-34 megarange, which (I think) gives a gear range of 40 - 98 inches.

 

I locked the suspension forks when I was setting up the bike. I also pumped up the tyres to the maximum 65psi. That resulted in a hard, responsive ride, which I liked.

 

I rode it first up and down my street without the battery, and I have to say it is pretty rideable without noticeable motor drag and with gears low enough to be useable should one ever run out of battery power.

 

Then I put the new, freshly-charged, 500Wh battery in. It really goes! It feels incredibly powerful. It was a wet day, getting dark and I didn't have lights sorted out, so I only went a couple of miles. I sought out the biggest hills near to me (nothing special, probably 1 in 15 for 1/4 mile), and it flew up them. The factory fitted speedo is hard to read but until I eased off it was reading 25-30km/h all the way up the hill. Coming down it felt faster - with plenty of cadence to keep driving it. I've now fitted a proper computer so will have a better idea of speeds when I take it out for a proper ride tomorrow.

 

Impressions so far are favourable - for the most part a well thought out, designed and executed bike which was exciting to ride, with a couple of niggles. Will say more when I've got to know it properly.

 

Regards,

 

Frank

Many thanks for the initial report Frank, that brake may just have been the odd poor one that gets through from time to time. The disc brake pads/caliper may smooth and balance after a first few applications, so best to leave it until then before attempting any adjustment.

 

Assuming a fairly standard 559 (26") tyre size, your gears are a bit lower than that at 38" to 93", but if the tyre is quite tall in profile as many are now, it will probably be about 39" to 96", that top gear very much lower than the Torq's, and the bottom gear way lower, which is better of course. If it has a derestrictor to do 20 mph plus, you'll be spinning quite hard to keep up to the motor's drive.

 

However, are you sure that the small sprocket is 14 tooth? For some while now the main Shimano Megarange of this type has been 13 to 34. If so, the top would be in the 100" to 104" region, a better match for the +20 mph stuff and nearer the Torq's 112" and 122" top two gears.

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Flecc,

 

Thanks for the correction to my gear calculations. They are fairly large tyres so 39-96" may be about right.

 

I was suprised that the megarange was not a 13, or even an 11. I even went back out to the garage to check again after I'd done the gear calculations, as I was expecting to see a top one well into the 100s! But it has 14-34 written on it in big white letters.

 

Both on my test ride and my little ride today I've felt the bike has been geared about right and have had plenty of cadence at high speeds - but I shall know more when I put it through its paces on my commute to work. I expect to shave a few minutes off my normal time!

 

Frank

Hi Frank, with regard to your problem with the front disc brake, have you tried adjusting the caliper to centre it? There is a red knurled nut for this purpose.

 

John

John,

 

Yes - I twiddled that a bit but wasn't convinced that was the right adjustment. It appeared to move the pad that wasn't rubbing, if you see what I mean. It isn't clear to me if there are any other adjustments.

 

However, thanks for the suggestion

 

Frank

If you do find you'd like the top gear a little higher Frank, the 13 to 34 is readily available at £9.99 each, it's the one I use on my Q and T bikes.

 

Wiggle normally have them and have one in stock at the moment on this link.

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Thanks Flecc,

 

I'm actually going to order one of those very soon for the kit bike that I am planning to assemble as my Christmas project!

 

A good run across flat West London to my office will tell me what I need to know about the Wisper's gearing. Like you, I was surprised not to see one of these on there already as it partially negates the objective of the big 52-tooth chainwheel.

 

Frank

You, as always, are absolutly correct Flecc!

 

However the new 905 range available in early 2008 does not share one component with the original 905e apart from the wheel rims!

 

Best regards David

 

A gentleman based at the Sammy Miller Motorcycle Museum, phoned me two days ago offering me one of the remaining original 905e bikes. He said that they were "virtually the same" as the new one and I'd be saving £150 compared to the new model. They had apparently been ordered by the police who had since opted for the new 905se instead.

Edited December 9, 200718 yr by Bikerbob

A gentleman based at the Sammy Miller Motorcycle Museum, phoned me two days ago offering me one of the remaining original 905e bikes. He said that they were "virtually the same" as the new one and I'd be saving £150 compared to the new model. They had apparently been ordered by the police who had since opted for the new 905se instead.

 

Salesmen! Don't you just love the way they bend with the wind, changing the message according to the stock!

 

One reason I'm so interested in Frank's experiences is the extreme reluctance of Wisper to get one of their bikes reviewed. I tried to get them to send a 905e to A to B very many months ago, and when that didn't happen, I encouraged the same for the 905se, but we're still waiting.

 

I was offered a trial on the 905e, but as I said in another post, I prefer to remain impartial and not test, the Kalhoff being an exception due to it's status in respect of my Lafree support website.

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905se

 

Salesmen! Don't you just love the way they bend with the wind, changing the message according to the stock!

 

One reason I'm so interested in Frank's experiences is the extreme reluctance of Wisper to get one of their bikes reviewed. I tried to get them to send a 905e to A to B very many months ago, and when that didn't happen, I encouraged the same for the 905se, but we're still waiting.

 

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Hi Guys

 

Just a quick not to keep you up to date.

 

Firstly sorry about our over enthusiastic salesman, Doug has had a word! We have a few demo models of the original 905e left in stock and although they look like the newer models there have been many changes, hence the lower price.

 

Please forgive me for using the forum as a sounding post but I find your comments extremely useful and believe me you have all been very instrumental in molding the new range.

 

The new range of 3 x 905's and the 705 will be here in the UK in March 2008, I am at the factory again in early January to sign them off for mass production.

 

These bikes will be ready to send to David Henshaw at A to B for testing.

 

The bikes sent to Germany were not the final specification, we were reluctant to send them but our German partner was very keen to get some in for the summer exhibitions.

 

The German bikes, for legal reasons were not sent with the the throttle or buttons installed. The UK bikes will have Throttle, on off and de-restrict buttons, mudguards, and rack already fitted, so the set up time for the bike will be dramatically reduced. All you will have to do is fit the handle bars, front quick release wheel and peddles (tools will be included) and you're off.

 

Among many improvements the rear caliper brakes have been upgraded and the front discs are now Shimano. We are currently sourcing a hinged seat as we agree with Franks comments. We are also still considering the size of the small cog on the rear wheel, 11 tooth seems a tad extrema but we would be interested in your comments Frank.

 

The computer has also been changed to one that is more easily readable and has a back light for night riding.

 

The final spec and price list for the 905 range and the 705 will be ready in early January but these are the basic specs at the moment. Any comments or suggestions would be welcome.

 

Apart from the specs shown below all other items are the same on all models

 

905se Sport

 

14a 36v Lithium Polymer battery, 250w motor, front suspension, saddle suspension, front disc brake, sport mudguards, pump, bottle holder, 7 gears. De-restrict and power on / off buttons on handle bars.

 

905se City

 

14a 36v Lithium Polymer battery, 250w motor, saddle suspension, (no front suspension) caliper brakes, full PC mudguards, pump, bottle holder, 7 gears, front hub dynamo lighting, rear rack. De-restrict and power on / off buttons on handle bars.

 

905

 

8a 36v Lithium Ion (Manganese) battery, 250w motor, one gear, no suspension, caliper brakes, no mudguards, no rack etc.

 

705e City

 

8a 36v Lithium Ion (Manganese) battery, 250w motor, saddle suspension, (no front suspension) caliper brakes, full PC mudguards, pump, bottle holder, 7 gears, front hub dynamo lighting, rear rack. De-restrict and power on / off buttons on handle bars.

 

Best regards David