The one outlet for this brand in the UK does now have this clear warning on the BS10 bike details web page:

 

"To use this bicycle on a public road the user should first register it, fit a registration plate and then tax and insure it. Registration plate holder can be removed for off-road use."

 

I believe at one time the website location of the warning was generically positioned for all high speed models so could conceivably be missed when viewing online. Of course face to face sales at their retail outlets are dependent on the salesperson making this limitation absolutely clear.

 

Just actually had a look at their site.... Can't see anything about the bikes not being road legal?

Just actually had a look at their site.... Can't see anything about the bikes not being road legal?

 

Since I looked at it when that warning was there as copied and pasted by me, the speed model webpages have been renewed, the BS10s are now called Endeavour models and as you say, the warnings on the legal issues are no longer there.

Since I looked at it when that warning was there as copied and pasted by me, the speed model webpages have been renewed, the BS10s are now called Endeavour models and as you say, the warnings on the legal issues are no longer there.

Does seem a bit odd they they fail to mention the legal aspect.

 

I guess that they are working on the theory that just about everyone that buys one is more than happy with it.

 

By the time the government realise that the country is full of very purposeful but illegal ebikes it will be too late.

They will relent, come to their senses and make the things legal. The owners can then just carry on their lives, green and worry free.

By the time the government realise that the country is full of very purposeful but illegal ebikes it will be too late.

They will relent, come to their senses and make the things legal. The owners can then just carry on their lives, green and worry free.

 

Not this time! The DfT acceded to 250 watts replacing 200 watts as de facto simply because that was the EU law which they had always intended to align with since May 9th 2003.

 

But only recently they made it very plain that higher speeds and/or power are out of the question and will not be considered for the UK. In this respect there are two other considerations.

 

First, that in Germany alone in the EU where an S class e-bike is permitted, it is registered, plated and insured with other moped-like restrictions. Our S class e-bikes are being used as completely illegal pedelecs. That will never be legalised, if for no other reason, simply because even the EU ban it.

 

Second, the number of S class e-bikes on our roads is tiny, far fewer than the total numbers of illegal mini-motos, powered pavement scooters and other illegal types. As with them, the government will have no compunction in taking them off the road and crushing them.

Not this time! The DfT acceded to 250 watts replacing 200 watts as de facto simply because that was the EU law which they had always intended to align with since May 9th

 

Second, the number of S class e-bikes on our roads is tiny, far fewer than the total numbers of illegal mini-motos, powered pavement scooters and other illegal types. As with them, the government will have no compunction in taking them off the road and crushing them.

 

Lets not forget, they could also fine the users and make some money at the some time as crushing.

 

Alternatively, they could ask themselves why these bikes are on the road in the first place. Hmm!, maybe they are serving a useful purpose.

 

Personally, I hope 50 cycles sell a huge shed load of the S class bikes.

 

I also hope the buyers use these cycles in place of their cars. Only then will we start to see some real progress.

It's a nice thought, but things just don't work that way. Our government of the day, guided by the civil service and EU rules will do exactly as usual.

 

Transport matters are a matter for the EU as specified ever since the Treaty of Rome and in several treaties since. That's why we draw ever closer into legal alignment. The nearest we could ever get to what you wish is permitting the S class with the accompanying bureaucracy. This being the UK, the bureaucracy we applied to the S class would be tougher than the German version, making it not worth participating.

 

No S class bike will ever operate under the pedelec rules in an EU country, 2022/EC/24 rules that completely out.

Looks like the Norwegians are better off again, then! No wonder Ukip are on the ascendency lol! Maybe Nigel will offer S-ped riders an amnesty in the afermath of the glorious Eu revolt in a month's time ha ha!

BTW, does the crusher beckon for any 'dongled' but otherwise conforming pedelecs?

Looks like the Norwegians are better off again, then!

 

Not so Alchemist. Although Norway left the EU to protect it's fishing industry, for convenience, freedom of movement and trading purposes it has retained most EU law. That includes the EU's pedelecs legislation in it's entirety.

Bah! Suppose we'll have to go to Iceland, or Lichtenstein, or the Grand Duchy of Fenwick, or such like! Any views re the supplementary Q ( re 'dongled' ebikes), flecc?

I didn't realise Norway had ever in fact joined the EU, but if they indeed did and have since left again, I suppose that would set a precendent for the likes of Greece, Portugal, Cyprus etc, when the going gets too hard on the repayment of dues - I read somewhere that at current rates of 'repayment' the Greeks will be in a fix for the rest of the century, unless they choose to return to the Drachma, or at any reate leave the EU. I understand they're just about due for another tranche of German Aid too, to save them running out of cash.

 

Norway, on the other hand, are around 8th wealthiest per capita country on this planet, so they say!