February 4, 201412 yr Many contributions to Pedelecs ask for guidance on potential purchases.Whilst most trade contributors are able to give an an honest assessment of their marque ,some are a little less so . My lovely BS10 Kalkhoff was returned because it was uninsurable and generally illegal for general on -road use due to its spectacular performance .That said ,my new Kalkhoff Impulse ergo is a smashing piece of kit . Now for the update and on the job experience .The bike gets out at least once a week for a thirty mile run together with visit to the pub and pool playing.Talking of pool ,I fell off the bike along side the Staffs/Worcester canal and took an unexpected early bath .Happily my beloved pedallo stayed on the bank.I missed out the pub/pool and drip dried at speed on the twelve miles home.Christmas day was traditional with a splendid lunch and some bottled cheer followed by a 40 mile ride as a reward and antidote.Now a message for those who read instructions when all else fails .The setting used for my ride was battery hungry so it expired 2 miles from home . There is a get home setting which controls the electronics which stops the motor drag .In the pitch black is not the time to swot up .Two last points to help .Get some decent tyres with puncture resistance ,this will acquaint you with the added procedure for tyre change on a e bike .Last point you can forget air travel as the battery will be treated by the airline as a hazard they are not prepared to consider .Our club touring trip via Stuttgart this summer will mean a return to my old Dawes and reality .
February 4, 201412 yr But surely the company that sold you the BS10 explained that it was illegal for use on roads in the UK?
February 4, 201412 yr Author But surely the company that sold you the BS10 explained that it was illegal for use on roads in the UK?
February 4, 201412 yr Author No , if that had been the case I would not have even considered it .I am 70 not a boy racer or want to be limited to Cannock Chase which would also rule me out . Edited February 4, 201412 yr by petitfilou
February 4, 201412 yr But surely the company that sold you the BS10 explained that it was illegal for use on roads in the UK? I same say this. I think so i go on road uk
February 4, 201412 yr No , if that had been the case I would not have even considered it .I am 70 not a boy racer or want to be limited to Cannock Chase which would also rule me out . Very strange. We have been assured many times that all customers buying non legal bikes are informed of the legalities!
February 4, 201412 yr What happen police will see my trike with BBS01 rider on road uk? They'll probably laugh! Once finished chuckling they may check it out, but if you have it limited to 15 mph assist as Woosh, the suppliers advise, there should hopefully be no problems.
February 4, 201412 yr What happen police will see my trike with BBS01 rider on road uk? As flecc says, it shouldn't be a problem. The Kalkhoff BS10 is different to a BBS01. Your trike looks good!
February 4, 201412 yr No , if that had been the case I would not have even considered it .I am 70 not a boy racer or want to be limited to Cannock Chase which would also rule me out . is there any chance you could let us know which retailer it was? It would be interesting for us and others I'm sure to learn who isn't passing on this crucial advise.
February 4, 201412 yr is there any chance you could let us know which retailer it was? It would be interesting for us and others I'm sure to learn who isn't passing on this crucial advise. That would probably be the only supplier of the BS10 - 50Cycles.
February 4, 201412 yr is there any chance you could let us know which retailer it was? It would be interesting for us and others I'm sure to learn who isn't passing on this crucial advise. The one outlet for this brand in the UK does now have this clear warning on the BS10 bike details web page: "To use this bicycle on a public road the user should first register it, fit a registration plate and then tax and insure it. Registration plate holder can be removed for off-road use." I believe at one time the website location of the warning was generically positioned for all high speed models so could conceivably be missed when viewing online. Of course face to face sales at their retail outlets are dependent on the salesperson making this limitation absolutely clear.
February 4, 201412 yr That would probably be the only supplier of the BS10 - 50Cycles. yes, sorry for my loaded post... it would just be nice to have something in writing to confirm what we all suspect / know.
February 6, 201412 yr There is only one supplier of that bike as Martin said. The bikes are only sold direct they used to have a small dealer network a while back but it collapsed so it is just them selling that brand of bike
February 9, 201412 yr There is certainly no mention of it on their Ebay listings page. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261386063058?var=560285026051&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 But it does state it very clearly on the website page for the BS10 http://www.50cycles.com/electric-bikes/endeavour-sport-fast/endeavour_bs10_400wh It couldn't be clearer, although it should indicate what is actually involved in registering it. To use this bicycle on a public road the user should first register it, fit a registration plate and then tax and insure it. Registration plate holder can be removed for off-road use. . . Edited February 9, 201412 yr by EddiePJ
February 9, 201412 yr it should indicate what is actually involved in registering it. Suppose it might if the retailer - or anyone - knew what is involved in registering a de-restricted bike.
February 9, 201412 yr Suppose it might if the retailer - or anyone - knew what is involved in registering a de-restricted bike. After reading the previous Kalkoff threads, I did think that as I posted the above. Really 50C should offer this service to people wishing to register the bikes. Obviously if this was both easy and or possible, then they would be, which kind of sums up that it isn't.
February 9, 201412 yr Suppose it might if the retailer - or anyone - knew what is involved in registering a de-restricted bike. AFAIK, (and I'm sure flecc will have the definitive answer), there is no category of motor vehicle in the UK equivalent to the German speed pedelec. You would have to modify it to such an extent that it would become a moped, with all the restrictions associated with them.
February 9, 201412 yr You can't register a BS10. We've been through all that before. Therefore you can't ride it with tax and insurance.
February 10, 201412 yr Author You can't register a BS10. We've been through all that before. Therefore you can't ride it with tax and insurance. Just a further bit of detail .Insurance for the bike is not competively available as most companies preclude any bike whose assisted speed is in excess of 15mph. Would you like your trip to include the wearing of a full motorcycle helmet ,also a requirement .Plus exclusion from off road Sustrans bike routes in addition to public roads .
February 10, 201412 yr AFAIK, (and I'm sure flecc will have the definitive answer), there is no category of motor vehicle in the UK equivalent to the German speed pedelec. You would have to modify it to such an extent that it would become a moped, with all the restrictions associated with them. Exactly, it would have to be heavily modified to conform to all the P1 moped class requirements and then submitted to the Vehicle Inspectorate for single vehicle approval at one of their testing stations, cost of £85 with retest charge of £17 if required. Then it would have to be ridden as a moped with motorcycle crash helmet etc and the same parking and access restrictions. Note though that the DfT are now aware of what some of us might want and have a note on their site that the approval system may not be suitable for users of what they call "assistive technology". So they know there are problems in getting this approval for any e-bike and I think it likely that this note resulted from BS10 owners turning up with their EU approval certificate and expecting immediate type approval without modifications. However, some of the requirements are not onerous. An e-bike submitted for approval does not have to have a dipping headlight or stop light for example, but it must have lights and rear and pedal reflectors. The headlight beam if not a dipping one must at all times conform to the dipped beam position requirements. Brakes would have to be disc, others like calipers and V brakes etc only permitted on the Low Powered Moped class which is restricted to 16 mph assist. A r/h mirror of between 94mm and 150mm diameter is required, and so is a secure stand, prop or two leg. A possible stumbling block is the requirement for a VIN plate, but since the scheme is for home builds as well, presumably a stamped-in frame number would be acceptable. Edited February 10, 201412 yr by flecc
February 10, 201412 yr Indicators too, and they want the wiring protected, which is not much of a problem with the BS10, but a nuisance for others.
February 10, 201412 yr Indicators too, and they want the wiring protected, which is not much of a problem with the BS10, but a nuisance for others. Not for the moped class, left and right indicators are listed under "Optional" in lighting. Three wheel mopeds, motorcycles and quadricycles are required to have them. There are other small requirements that I haven't mentioned since they are not a problem. For example an "audible means of warning of approach", usually a horn but a bell is not ruled out, and a speedometer which can be our usual cycle digital ones. Edited February 10, 201412 yr by flecc
February 11, 201412 yr Not too much of a problem with those requirements, then; But... Banned from use on cycle trails, bridleways, mixed use trails & Any land to which the great unwashed has access - Road use Only. That would be the deal breaker for me. And, after all that, it appears the Bosch-powered s-types have no more grunt than the standard fare - just higher top-speed assist. Handy for commuting I guess, but not down here in the boondocks.
February 11, 201412 yr Not too much of a problem with those requirements, then; But... Banned from use on cycle trails, bridleways, mixed use trails & Any land to which the great unwashed has access - Road use Only. That would be the deal breaker for me. And, after all that, it appears the Bosch-powered s-types have no more grunt than the standard fare - just higher top-speed assist. Handy for commuting I guess, but not down here in the boondocks. True for off-road, not that young moped riders take any notice of these rules! I agree that those most likely to benefit are commuters over longer distances needing to keep their commute time reasonable.
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