Haven't posted lately and have done around 1350 miles on the Haibike Trekking. Have tried to think of reasons to swap for a Riesse and Muller, maybe a Delite, but can't justify this at the moment due to genuinely enjoying the Haibike every time I ride it, even if it's only nipping across town. I have a sprung Brooks B67 fitted since start of the year, which has transformed the riding experience bringing outstanding comfort and suits the bike perfectly. More recently I've been using the Standard setting which the second highest, and after rides of around 30 miles still have 50% of battery remaining. On Eco setting there is around 70 to 80 miles available when riding carefully. Very rarely use the lowest Eco+ setting as it's much less pleasurable. Not sure yet if I will buy a spare 500 Watt/hr battery to more or less guarrentee 100 miles capability. £850 is a lot of dosh for a battery and as other forum members have pointed out, that money can buy a lot of lunch stops while recharging. Over an hour, the battery can be topped up quite significantly, but it does take nearer 2 hours to achieve a 50% charge. R and M e bikes are beautifully made machines, there is no doubt, and maybe I might succumb and make a purchase in the future, but I'm keen to pile a good amount of miles on to the Haibike at the moment. However my wife is interested in testing a R and M Tinker HS, and will do this in the next couple of weeks. She is considering whether she might find the compact frame more manageable and likes the idea of the extra power of the HS motor. Also the Tinker would require less storage space than her present Giant e bike. If anyone has any experience of the Tinker would welcome any comments. Another possible choice would be the Haibike Radius Tour, which although is not HS, is significantly cheaper, and uses the same battery has my Haibike I think, and I maybe able to borrow it if planning a longer tour. Trouble is I'm not sure who has one in stock so,s we can take a look at one, will enquire with my local 50 cycles to see if they have one or can get one. Again would welcome any thoughts on this.

Being able to swap batteries is big plus, one reasons for wife's new ebike. Your range is limited by combined capacity not single battery. I typically use 1/3 less than her.

Haven't posted lately and have done around 1350 miles on the Haibike Trekking. Have tried to think of reasons to swap for a Riesse and Muller, maybe a Delite, but can't justify this at the moment due to genuinely enjoying the Haibike every time I ride it, even if it's only nipping across town. I have a sprung Brooks B67 fitted since start of the year, which has transformed the riding experience bringing outstanding comfort and suits the bike perfectly. More recently I've been using the Standard setting which the second highest, and after rides of around 30 miles still have 50% of battery remaining. On Eco setting there is around 70 to 80 miles available when riding carefully. Very rarely use the lowest Eco+ setting as it's much less pleasurable. Not sure yet if I will buy a spare 500 Watt/hr battery to more or less guarrentee 100 miles capability. £850 is a lot of dosh for a battery and as other forum members have pointed out, that money can buy a lot of lunch stops while recharging. Over an hour, the battery can be topped up quite significantly, but it does take nearer 2 hours to achieve a 50% charge. R and M e bikes are beautifully made machines, there is no doubt, and maybe I might succumb and make a purchase in the future, but I'm keen to pile a good amount of miles on to the Haibike at the moment. However my wife is interested in testing a R and M Tinker HS, and will do this in the next couple of weeks. She is considering whether she might find the compact frame more manageable and likes the idea of the extra power of the HS motor. Also the Tinker would require less storage space than her present Giant e bike. If anyone has any experience of the Tinker would welcome any comments. Another possible choice would be the Haibike Radius Tour, which although is not HS, is significantly cheaper, and uses the same battery has my Haibike I think, and I maybe able to borrow it if planning a longer tour. Trouble is I'm not sure who has one in stock so,s we can take a look at one, will enquire with my local 50 cycles to see if they have one or can get one. Again would welcome any thoughts on this.

Haven't posted lately and have done around 1350 miles on the Haibike Trekking. Have tried to think of reasons to swap for a Riesse and Muller, maybe a Delite, but can't justify this at the moment due to genuinely enjoying the Haibike every time I ride it, even if it's only nipping across town. I have a sprung Brooks B67 fitted since start of the year, which has transformed the riding experience bringing outstanding comfort and suits the bike perfectly. More recently I've been using the Standard setting which the second highest, and after rides of around 30 miles still have 50% of battery remaining. On Eco setting there is around 70 to 80 miles available when riding carefully. Very rarely use the lowest Eco+ setting as it's much less pleasurable. Not sure yet if I will buy a spare 500 Watt/hr battery to more or less guarrentee 100 miles capability. £850 is a lot of dosh for a battery and as other forum members have pointed out, that money can buy a lot of lunch stops while recharging. Over an hour, the battery can be topped up quite significantly, but it does take nearer 2 hours to achieve a 50% charge. R and M e bikes are beautifully made machines, there is no doubt, and maybe I might succumb and make a purchase in the future, but I'm keen to pile a good amount of miles on to the Haibike at the moment. However my wife is interested in testing a R and M Tinker HS, and will do this in the next couple of weeks. She is considering whether she might find the compact frame more manageable and likes the idea of the extra power of the HS motor. Also the Tinker would require less storage space than her present Giant e bike. If anyone has any experience of the Tinker would welcome any comments. Another possible choice would be the Haibike Radius Tour, which although is not HS, is significantly cheaper, and uses the same battery has my Haibike I think, and I maybe able to borrow it if planning a longer tour. Trouble is I'm not sure who has one in stock so,s we can take a look at one, will enquire with my local 50 cycles to see if they have one or can get one. Again would welcome any thoughts on this.

 

My AVE MH7 is a 20" wheel compact framed Bosch ebike - very similar to the Tinker.

 

I rate it highly, the smaller frame and wheels do make for a much handier package.

 

Comfort might not be quite as good as a big wheel bike, but I've still done - and enjoyed - many 50+mile rides on the AVE, my record being 86 miles.

 

The Orbea Katu ebike version is another to consider, it comes in Bosch or hub motor flavours.

 

You won't go wrong with an R&M bike, but they are only marginally better made than other premium brands.

 

Bike style to suit is more important. I bought my Charger because I wanted twin batteries and a Rohloff hub - R&M was the only game in town.

 

The Delite you fancy is also unique, being the only ebike with full suspension tuned for road/cycle path riding, and the bike itself being trekking spec - mudguards, carrier, lights, etc.

Thanks for replies guys, paid a visit to 50 Cycles today and Jennyg road tested the Tinker HS with me on a Nevo HS. We covered some undulating roads and a short distance on rough track. The top and bottom of it is she felt much safer and more in control of the Tinker's compact frame and loved the extra power from the 350watt motor. The benefits of being able to move the handlebars sideways and downwards enabling it to take up less storage room swung it and a purchase was made, and we plan to pick the Tinker up tomorrow. Jennyg is very excited and looking forward to leaving me behind when my Haibike motor cuts out the assist at 16mph! Yes it's a big outlay but hopefully over time the quality of R and M will show through and give lots of pleasurable miles. Thanks again to 50 Cycle at Loughborough, and to Mike,s patient assistance in helping us choose the most suitable bike for our needs.

What did you think of Nevo?.

What did you think of Nevo?.

Actually thought it was a nice bike, it has a step through frame which is obviously easy to get on and off. It was fitted with the Nuvinci hub which is great once I got used to it and is very much suited to e power. Step through design is traditionally for females in the UK, but for those of either gender who are not too agile or have hip problems maybe, the frame design would be a godsend.

I was passed by Mrs G on her Tinker like I was standing still this evening! Still love my Haibike but have thinking cap on for a future change; there's a lot to be said for a compact frame design.

The 2000 mile marker came up today after after 14 months of ownership, not once has this bike given any hint of any trouble at all when covering road and rough tracks. The Yamaha PW system in my eyes is great, quiet and reliable with loads of torque. The battery still charges up too 100% and range from the 500 watt hours is dependably around 70 miles using a variety of mode levels and differing terrain. Today I kept it mainly on the lowest assist mode (eco+) using the eco and standard modes for only around a mile or so. After 29.1 miles the battery had 75% of its charge remaining, which at that rate would have realised about 116 miles using the complete charge. Eco+ mode is not very inspiring at all and very much like riding a heavily laden unassisted bike at a typicaly slowish touring pace, and I don't tend to use that mode much at all. The eco and standard modes are much better and good distances can be achieved without expelling too much energy, I very rarely need the highest mode, it's reserved for really rigorous or extreme hills and I haven't found many that can't be adequately handled in the standard mode. Yes they're are limitations in power delivery when the rpm raises to around the 75 to 80 mark, but changing to a higher gear quickly solves that problem. However, I would be interested in trying the Pwx motor in the future to compare the differences. Comparisons between the Yamaha and other leading motor brands should be covered in a different thread, but the PW in my mind takes some beating when mounted in a hybrid, ' do it all ' type of bike. In short, the Trekking is a very capable, stylish and reliable ebike, carries heavy loads well, and may be thought of as being good value for money if it's reliability continues as the miles increase.

Funny, but I tested one of these today and was really impressed with the build quality. However, that is a massive cost for a new battery! How long will the original last before it needs replacing? Putting me off a bit.

my 2014 bosch batt is still going but it has lost about 25% of its range and as i use a dongle and mostly turbo im happy with that.

 

jimmy at insat can recell most batts so no need to buy new again and save half the cost of new and pick the cells you want

Now that makes more sense! Looking at a Cube Touring Hybrid 400 or this one. Not peddled the Cube, but it also has some good reviews.

 

Too much choice!

if you use a dongle you basically half the range in each mode so in eco no dongle would say 100 miles and half that with one.

Not sure what you mean by a dongle.

 

Also, I can get a great deal on either a 48cm or 56cm frame men’s bike, but I am 5”8, would the 48 be too small & 56 too big?

48 as 56 will be for giants lol dongle removes speed limit

Not sure what you mean by a dongle.

 

Dongles are devices that you can fit to certain ebikes that fool the computer into providing power beyond the 15mph standard cut off limit. They are worth their weight in gold for me.

 

https://www.badassebikes.com/en/

Ahh, that's interesting. I may just have to invest in one of those! Just used my wife's 18" Carrera Crosspath and spent most of my time over 15.5mph. And you are right, the 48 fits well. ideally I need a 52, but the smaller frame means I am sitting up more, which I prefer for touring.

if you use a dongle you basically half the range in each mode so in eco no dongle would say 100 miles and half that with one.

 

I can't understand your statement. I have a Haibike Sduro Cross 7.0 (CX-motor) with a Speedbox 2 dongle. The dongle doesn't effect the range. The Intuvia screen doesn't change estimated range whether the dongle is on or off. And of course it shouldn't because the dongles doesn't change the torque in any way, only the 25 km/h speed limit.

I have several trips of 70-75 km on very rugged and hilly forest roads with one Powerpack 500 and still with some km left. (1 LED)

What matters for maximum range is:

1. The mode. On these trips I try to use the Tour-mode as mutch a possible but need both Sport and the Turbo-mode on the steapest hills.

2. Optimal gear shifts. (Many do gear down to late before hills and with to low cadence before and up the hill)

3. Cadence

4. And of course, the power in your legs.(I'm 60 so my power is not what it was)

 

If your dongle gives you only half of the normal range something must be wrong.

 

Btw. Speedbox has a new version, Speedbox 2/B which has an bluetooth app that gives you many live data parameters.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.speedbox.app&hl=en

The sad part is that I think the B-version it's very expensive. But the data it shows is very interesting, and many of the parameteres would be nice showing up on Bosch displays on their ebikes in the future.

try going 30mph

try going 30mph

 

That has to do with your bike riding style, not the dongle. As you may have discovered the range is calculated based on how you ride over time. With many short trips, many stops and starts the calculated range goes down. If you then ride longer and smoother trips the calculated range will increase again.

it is based on power usage as eddie pj can nuke a 500w batt in 10 miles with no dongle he just ride it up a mountain lol.

 

these motors can draw 800w+ under the 15mph limit or with a dongle fitted.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VGdUXRfwZk:2

Im getting about 30 miles to a full charge on my Bosch 50w battery. About 40% of that is cycling up steep hills, another 40%coasting down the same hills, and the remainder on flat ground.

 

I have a dongle fitted and when riding on flat ground I'm usually always going above 15mph.