For example, ask the officer to help you lift up the motorwheel so you can demonstrate the speed limit.

 

 

no and it's still obvious if you try to remove something after you stop the bike.

 

It's pretty obvious to many of us to spot an illegal e-bike, so why not a police officer?

 

[mention=11305]soundwave[/mention] You'd better get down the gym son. Those ebikes are heavy.

If you didn't let them prove that it was illegal by allowing them to ride your bike, then what would their reasonable suspicion, to confiscate / impound, be based on?

 

Lack of proper labelling, virtually no pedelecs are correctly marked in every respect. Here's what the law says, the first way is for current machines built to EU standards, the second for 2015 and before machines. (Forget about kit builds, a police officer isn't qualified to determine if an e-bike is kit built or just a non standard manufactured one.):

 

"Must be fitted with a plate securely fixed in a conspicuous and readily accessible position showing— (a) the name of the manufacturer of the vehicle, (b) the nominal voltage of the battery (as defined in the 1971 British Standard) of the vehicle, and © the continuous rated output (as defined in the 1971 British Standard) of the motor of the vehicle;

 

or (ii) visibly and durably marked with— (a) the name of the manufacturer of the vehicle, (b) the maximum speed at which the motor can propel the vehicle specified in miles per hour or kilometres per hour, and © the maximum continuous rated power (as defined in the Electrically Assisted Pedal Cycles Regulations 1983)(d) of the motor of the vehicle specified in watts or kilowatts;”

 

If not plated in one of the above ways, suspicion exists that it may well be illegal since it's well known that there are numerous illegal e-bikes and other two wheelers on the roads.

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Edited February 12, 20206 yr by flecc

 

all id need to do is bolt down a ally way take it if and lob it somewhere not that it has ever been a problem but no dongle no proof.

Do they actually work?

Do they actually work?

 

Police or dongles?

The Baddass dongles over the sensor, as for the police that is open to debate.

do any of you lot pay the bbc tv licence ? we not paid it for near ten years now as dont use it or have a account to watch it.

 

they still send letters tho pmsl.

this is the EN15194 label on all Woosh bikes:

 

it is weatherproof and always affixed to the seat post.

 

 

 

this is the EN15194 label on all Woosh bikes:

 

it is weatherproof and always affixed to the seat post.

 

You Sir, should be ashamed of yourself! Carpe dieming on such a serious topic!

You Sir, should be ashamed of yourself! Carpe dieming on such a serious topic!

:)

 

that was in reply to flecc's post:

 

Lack of proper labelling, virtually no pedelecs are correctly marked in every respect. Here's what the law says, the first way is for current machines built to EU standards, the second for 2015 and before machines. (Forget about kit builds, a police officer isn't qualified to determine if an e-bike is kit built or just a non standard manufactured one.):

 

"Must be fitted with a plate securely fixed in a conspicuous and readily accessible position showing— (a) the name of the manufacturer of the vehicle, (b) the nominal voltage of the battery (as defined in the 1971 British Standard) of the vehicle, and © the continuous rated output (as defined in the 1971 British Standard) of the motor of the vehicle;

 

or (ii) visibly and durably marked with— (a) the name of the manufacturer of the vehicle, (b) the maximum speed at which the motor can propel the vehicle specified in miles per hour or kilometres per hour, and © the maximum continuous rated power (as defined in the Electrically Assisted Pedal Cycles Regulations 1983)(d) of the motor of the vehicle specified in watts or kilowatts;”

 

If not plated in one of the above ways, suspicion exists that it may well be illegal since it's well known that there are numerous illegal e-bikes and other two wheelers on the roads.

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:) that was in reply to flecc's post:

 

He's just as bad, always laying down the law. Anybody would think that he'd made a living out of it!

 

upgrade time

this is the EN15194 label on all Woosh bikes:

 

it is weatherproof and always affixed to the seat post.

 

 

 

 

Pretty good and far better than most suppliers do. You don't need to declare the assist speed limit of course.

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He's just as bad, always laying down the law. Anybody would think that he'd made a living out of it!

 

I don't lay down the law to anyone, you can all do as you please with my blessing.

 

What I do is provide a service ensuring all pedelecers do know what the law is, and not what their fertile imaginations make it.

 

Remember, my advice is also in pedelecers favour, such as showing them that pavement cycling when necessitated by dangerous traffic conditions is legal.

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However, if they do take your bike away for expert testing, it could go a bit like this.. Would yours pass?

 

Three years ago I had a bad accident when a Nurse pulled out of a hospital exit and drove straight into me.

The West Midlands Ambulance Service was a few yards away and 6 Paramedics & two Coppers were having a break and witnessed it all.

My front wheel motor was a right off but they checked the bike over to make sure I was legal and just before I went off in the ambulance to A&E, which was 200 yards away, they said I was legal so wouldn't be taking it away.

Three years ago I had a bad accident when a Nurse pulled out of a hospital exit and drove straight into me.

The West Midlands Ambulance Service was a few yards away and 6 Paramedics & two Coppers were having a break and witnessed it all.

My front wheel motor was a right off but they checked the bike over to make sure I was legal and just before I went off in the ambulance to A&E, which was 200 yards away, they said I was legal so wouldn't be taking it away.

 

Ouch.. I hope there was no lasting damage to you?

 

If the motor was a 'write off' I presume they would have struggled to prove anything about it other than maybe it had a label on it.

Ouch.. I hope there was no lasting damage to you?

 

If the motor was a 'write off' I presume they would have struggled to prove anything about it other than maybe it had a label on it.

 

Three broken ribs and a dislocated right arm, funny thing is I'd been in A&E on business earlier.

The Paramedics kept me on the road for 30 minutes because they saw me fly through the air and land so thought I was worse.

Passers-by then told them who I was "He works in Clinical Negligence" so they all joked and got away from me until I mentioned I worked for the NHS.

 

Yes, I think they just read the wattage on the motor.

I don't trust British police and I wouldn't let them near my bike without a warrant and a lawyer present.

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I don't trust British police and I wouldn't let them near my bike without a warrant and a lawyer present.

The problem is British police can do what they like. They can flout the law so easily without any redress. The best thing to do is let them ride it as most are so unfit they’d have a difficult job getting the bike up to 15mph even with the motor on lol.

Seriously it saves a lot of hassle if you just let them ride it and save yourself all the crap that will come your way if you didn’t.

Worth just say you’ll pump up the tires a bit before they set off to see if the get the piss take lol

The best thing to do is let them ride it as most are so unfit they’d have a difficult job getting the bike up to 15mph even with the motor on lol.

 

Seriously it saves a lot of hassle if you just let them ride it and save yourself all the crap that will come your way if you didn’t.

 

If I ever get pulled for suspected speeding on my ebike, I'm just going to turn the motor off before anyone else tries to test ride it. Maintaining that I was riding it unassisted and was on my way to the bike shop to have it fixed, because it keeps going too fast when the motor's switched on. I wouldn't want to be intentionally breaking any laws.

 

With the motor off it's a regular push bike and riding it in excess of 15. 5 mph isn't an issue. Right?

With the motor off it's a regular push bike and riding it in excess of 15. 5 mph isn't an issue. Right?

 

Not always. If it's capable of assisting at over 17 mph when switched on it is never a bicycle in law.

 

Many drivers have been convicted of drunk driving after being found sitting in their parked car with the engine not running, even without the key in the ignition. If the key is in their possession the capability is there and they get convicted.

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With the motor off it's a regular push bike and riding it in excess of 15. 5 mph isn't an issue. Right?

Wrong.

 

It's illegal to ride an ebike whose motor is capable of providing assistance above 15.5mph, as previously mentioned many times on this thread alone. It doesn't matter whether the motor is turned on or off, whether the battery is charged or not charged, whether you're riding at 5mph, riding at 15mph or riding at 30mph.

Not always. If it's capable of assisting at over 17 mph when switched on it is never a bicycle in law.

 

And if it's a legal ebike being ridden with the motor off. Would that be considered as a bicycle in law?

 

Wrong.

 

It's illegal to ride an ebike whose motor is capable of providing assistance above 15.5mph, as previously mentioned many times on this thread alone. It doesn't matter whether the motor is turned on or off, whether the battery is charged or not charged, whether you're riding at 5mph, riding at 15mph or riding at 30mph.

 

Yes, we know that by now I'm sure.

 

But what if it's a legal ebike, doing 25 mph downhill with a tail wind, with the motor turned off. To all intents and purposes the police, or anyone else, may think that it's an illegal ebike speeding along, when that wouldn't be the case. Or would it be just another cyclist riding along at their best speed, yet still under the 30 mph road speed limit for a built up area?

Yes, we know that by now I'm sure.

 

But what if it's a legal ebike, doing 25 mph downhill with a tail wind, with the motor turned off. To all intents and purposes the police, or anyone else, may think that it's an illegal ebike speeding along, when that wouldn't be the case. Or would it be just another cyclist riding along at their best speed, yet still under the 30 mph road speed limit for a built up area?

Most of us know the law concerning ebikes, it's yourself who seem to be struggling with it. To answer your questions:

1. It would be legal irrespective of whether the motor is turned on or off and irrespective of what bystanders might choose to think.

2. The 30mph limit doesn't apply to riders of push bikes and legal ebikes.

 

I hope this helps...