June 5, 20205 yr Author Andy, you are single-handedly ruining this great forum with your constant aggressive posting. Nothing wrong with eating humble pie once in a while. Strange behavior... He wants respect but generates disrespect. wish I had a quid for every Andy i have met. .
June 5, 20205 yr Strange behavior... He wants respect but generates disrespect. wish I had a quid for every Andy i have met. . Andy-mat is a complete waker. He thinks he knows about these things, but he hasn't a clue. He just keeps copying stuff from the internet without understanding how it works. To help him for the future, I will explain below, but I think he's incapable of learning. These controllers have a self-learning procedure. You can put the hall and phase wires in any sequence you want. It makes no difference. The controller will analyse them, then figure out its timing and sequence to suit. You need the exact LCD manual for the software version you have because there may be a setting to reverse the direction by software. I have seen some similar controllers correct the direction of rotation after multiple tries of the self-learning procedure, but other times, that didn't work. It might help if you jog the wheel in the right direction while it's doing it, but that doesn't work with a geared motor. Edited June 5, 20205 yr by vfr400
June 5, 20205 yr I am watching this topic, just to see how long it takes for you to be up and running again. Other than Neal, I see no useful posts today that have helped you in the slightest....... Thankfully, tomorrow is a new day.... Andy
June 5, 20205 yr Author I am watching this topic, just to see how long it takes for you to be up and running again. Other than Neal, I see no useful posts today that have helped you in the slightest....... Thankfully, tomorrow is a new day.... Andy Usually with learn wires you need to connect /disconnect them until the motor runs the correct way then turn off the bike before disconnecting the wires a final time, next start up should have the motor running the right way. Perseverance it the name of the game or buy a better controller system. They also sync the motor phase automatically so eventually they should find the right combo. Well Having striped the motor down and powered it up out of the wheel hub it does indeed spin both ways. the gears however have a one way clutch! quite how this motor ever worked with the chain gear on the normal right hand side is a mystery. Maybe its the Australian version . Bin Fodder i lost the will to live lol Edited June 5, 20205 yr by wakefield
June 5, 20205 yr Well Having striped the motor down and powered it up out of the wheel hub it does indeed spin both ways. the gears however have a one way clutch! quite how this motor ever worked with the chain gear on the normal right hand side is a mystery. Maybe its the Australian version . Bin Fodder i lost the will to live lol I get the impression from your words, that someone has somehow put it back together, "arse about face"......is that even possible? What say you? Andy
June 5, 20205 yr d8veh is this fleeting hello or are you back to stay, if the latter welcome back chap and if the former still nice of you to say hi.
June 5, 20205 yr vfr posts now and again about world affairs on the hidden forum thread Neal. Good to see him back giving advice along with your good self.
June 5, 20205 yr Author d8veh is this fleeting hello or are you back to stay, if the latter welcome back chap and if the former still nice of you to say hi. Anyone want to buy a clown ebike?
June 7, 20205 yr Author Hello, Hope some clever clogs can help me here i'm tearing my hair out Today i got the brushless controller plugged it all in and the wheel runs backwards. I have tried swaping phase wires- no good. Tried messing with the "learning"wires on the controller to reverse motor- no good. FYI the controller is brain brushless 250w. there are no wires to short out and enable reverse as i have seen on some controllers, so im stuck! Not sure if this will shed any light but the bike is a Zipper Z1 folding bike. ( all bought second hand ) controller off ebay used. so unsure if it is a dodgy controller or a dodgy motor or i am missing something else. All sensible suggestions appreciated. My wheels no longer runs backwards.....As explained someone cobbled the motor together unknown to me, the clutch freewheeled the wrong direction. the cure was open the clutch mech and weld it fixed, no clutch. job done. A little bit more digging on this forum and I have the perameters set up and working a treat. If anyone wants any pictures of the clutch fix let me know.
June 8, 20205 yr My wheels no longer runs backwards.....As explained someone cobbled the motor together unknown to me, the clutch freewheeled the wrong direction. the cure was open the clutch mech and weld it fixed, no clutch. job done. A little bit more digging on this forum and I have the perameters set up and working a treat. If anyone wants any pictures of the clutch fix let me know. What would be more interesting would be see photos that show which motor it is as well as the clutch. Aikema and Q series motors have reversible clutches. You just take them out and flip them, though the motors don't like to run backwards, so you have to try many controllers to get them to work like that. A long time ago, Mekaniker commissioned a small batch of reverse Bafang clutches for DIY modification to use the motors in special circumstances, like Stoke Monkey type installations. Apart from those, I've never heard of or seen a reverse clutch. They went all over the world, so the chance of finding one would be very small. In the interest of expanding wisdom, please show the photos.
June 8, 20205 yr Author What would be more interesting would be see photos that show which motor it is as well as the clutch. Aikema and Q series motors have reversible clutches. You just take them out and flip them, though the motors don't like to run backwards, so you have to try many controllers to get them to work like that. A long time ago, Mekaniker commissioned a small batch of reverse Bafang clutches for DIY modification to use the motors in special circumstances, like Stoke Monkey type installations. Apart from those, I've never heard of or seen a reverse clutch. They went all over the world, so the chance of finding one would be very small. In the interest of expanding wisdom, please show the photos. Done. Still no wiser what the motor is though. SO. the clutch. I took the grinder and opened the back to find a SMJR spring mounted jamming roller ( made up terminology ) remove the spring wedge the roller tight-weld Job done. Hope it helps someone in the future.
June 8, 20205 yr I'd say that the motor was working correctly, but the brake is on the wrong side. It's a band-brake version, so has a threaded boss on both sides. I thought the threads would be opposite ways, but maybe not. The brake is definitely on the wrong side because the axle has the clearance and stop for the gear cluster in the middle photo above. Besides all that, your photo shows a normal clutch with the correct orientation. Does the rim sit central in the frame with it that way round? You should have posted photos earlier or at least explained what you had. We all assumed that it had been working, but reversed when you bought a new controller. These pictures seem to show the brake on the bulbous side and the gears on the flat removable side: https://www.rctoyworld.co.uk/zipper-z1-7-speed-compact-folding-electric-bike-ebike-cycle-20---titanium-white-92080-p.asp Edited June 8, 20205 yr by vfr400
June 8, 20205 yr Yes certainly motor was in back to front, no wonder it appeared to be going backwards when in fact it was mounted incorrectly. As Vfr has said pics to start with might have saved a few headaches.
June 8, 20205 yr Author I'd say that the motor was working correctly, but the brake is on the wrong side. It's a band-brake version, so has a threaded boss on both sides. I thought the threads would be opposite ways, but maybe not. The brake is definitely on the wrong side because the axle has the clearance and stop for the gear cluster in the middle photo above. Does the rim sit central in the frame with it that way round? You should have posted photos earlier. The picture is taken with the bike upside down. Chain on the right brake on the left. The wheel is centered ok. There is no thread on both side though, if you look at the hub only one side comes off.The brake side is intergrated with the hub cover plate to the motor. I have 30-35mm available to try fit a seven speed freewheel sprocket, so that is the next job then cobble the brake kit to be secured to the frame. It did have a single speed freewheel sprocket on so the threads are correct. i just removed it. My guess is the wheel is for a different bike alltogether but im almost there so we shall see how it looks when finished.
June 8, 20205 yr Author Yes certainly motor was in back to front, no wonder it appeared to be going backwards when in fact it was mounted incorrectly. As Vfr has said pics to start with might have saved a few headaches. maybe so, we live n learn. I dont believe its mounted incorrect as I always thought chain was on the right? And that is where it is. the confusion was the clutch freewheeled the wrong way which wasnt apparent to me at the outset. so i was looking elsewhere.
June 8, 20205 yr Author At the min it stands me at £75 i need gear kit and shifter so i guess £120 all in. Came with a brand new battery pack which i am going to rebuild to 42v 10A and fit it without the standard battery case which would only allow for 36v. With left over batteries i may make a rack mount battery . all in all not bad for the cost.
June 8, 20205 yr The brake screws off to leave a thread that's the same as the one on the other side. You'll probably need some heat to shift it if you want to put it back the correct way to suit the gears. The wheel and motor look to be correct for that bike when you compare with the photos in the link in my previous post. Edited June 8, 20205 yr by vfr400
June 8, 20205 yr You should have posted photos earlier or at least explained what you had. We all assumed that it had been working, but reversed when you bought a new controller. These pictures seem to show the brake on the bulbous side and the gears on the flat removable side: https://www.rctoyworld.co.uk/zipper-z1-7-speed-compact-folding-electric-bike-ebike-cycle-20---titanium-white-92080-p.asp Some Photos would have saved a lot of time and misunderstanding. So basically, the motor revolved in the correct direction, but the clutch could not engage, being backwards orientated! Interesting problem! One would think that some sort of "revolving sound" might have alerted the owner earlier...... But I'm really glad that its finally fixed at last! Someone had mounted something, "arse about face", as we would have said in the RN years ago (and maybe even today!!).... Andy
June 8, 20205 yr Author The brake screws off to leave a thread that's the same as the one on the other side. You'll probably need some heat to shift it if you want to put it back the correct way to suit the gears. The wheel and motor look to be correct for that bike when you compare with the photos in the link in my previous post. But there is no need as everything is on the correct side! all the threads run the correct way. just the same as in the photo you put up.
June 8, 20205 yr Some Photos would have saved a lot of time and misunderstanding. So basically, the motor revolved in the correct direction, but the clutch could not engage, being backwards orientated! Interesting problem! One would think that some sort of "revolving sound" might have alerted the owner earlier...... But I'm really glad that its finally fixed at last! Someone had mounted something, "arse about face", as we would have said in the RN years ago (and maybe even today!!).... Andy No. The clutch was correctly installed. The motor worked correctly, but someone put the brake on the wrong side, so, by assuming that the brake was normal, he put the wheel in the wrong way round with the wrongly installed brake on the correct side. It's not possible to install the clutch backwards. Pukka got in in the first reply.
June 8, 20205 yr Author Some Photos would have saved a lot of time and misunderstanding. So basically, the motor revolved in the correct direction, but the clutch could not engage, being backwards orientated! Interesting problem! One would think that some sort of "revolving sound" might have alerted the owner earlier...... But I'm really glad that its finally fixed at last! Someone had mounted something, "arse about face", as we would have said in the RN years ago (and maybe even today!!).... Andy I have just asked my son who is in the Fleet Air Arm.... He says: shut up. stop being a cock! ? kids ehh. B.Z.
June 8, 20205 yr Author No. The clutch was correctly installed. The motor worked correctly, but someone put the brake on the wrong side, so he put the wheel in the wrong way round. Pukka got in in the first reply. OMG Honda riders... LMAO.
June 8, 20205 yr Author No. The clutch was correctly installed. The motor worked correctly, but someone put the brake on the wrong side, so, by assuming that the brake was normal, he put the wheel in the wrong way round with the wrongly installed brake on the correct side. It's not possible to install the clutch backwards. Pukka got in in the first reply. Do you go to Squires in Sherburn? IF you do Im gonna rock up on the Zipper in my leathers n sidi's then take the thing apart infront of you....
June 8, 20205 yr There is one other tell tail sign as to why the motor is on backwards and the brake has been screwed on the wrong side, and that is the motor plate cover they all undo from the RHS at least all the ones I have seen/used or repaired are. Unfortunately all your problems are because your second hand bike has been set up incorrectly by a previous owner or repairer. Edited June 8, 20205 yr by Nealh
June 8, 20205 yr Author There is one other tell tail sign why the motor is on backwards and the brake has been screwed on the wrong side, and that is the motor plate cover they all undo from the RHS. We could have a little bet here. if you can unscrew the brake drum i would give you the bike. Loose and i want yours? confidant?
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