Indeed. At the end of November 2024, there were 72,594 electric vehicle charging points across the UK, across 36,316 charging locations and 106,094 connectors.

 

But that's just the public ones. Some 85% of all e-car buyers have their own charger installed at home, so add another 1.1 million chargers to that total. Plus increasing numbers have charge points at their workplace as well.

 

Compare that 1.2 million total with the i.c. car position:

 

As of the end of 2023, there were 8,353 petrol stations in the United Kingdom. This is a significant decline from the mid-1960s, when there were around 40,000 petrol stations in the UK.

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ICE vehicles do not need to visit a petrol station to refuel. A jerry can allows mobile refuelling by the driver no matter how remote the location.

109.2% of demand met at that point, lots of wind being exported.

The wind and solar are so Cheap they make the leccy cost more than diesel . And it Depends on What Brand of car one drives, etc, etc. So simple, so economical. Ha! :-)

So if its £70.10/MWh then per KWh it should be 1000 times less, 7000.1/1000= 7.01p per kWh, and we're paying how much? What a markup, gives Gouging a whole new meaning. Hell of a business "model", hehe :-)

(or is it a misprint? Or I probably need retraining on a calculator, oops, look at the price in Germany, haha)

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Meanwhile on the 'Other' end of the stick.. ;-)

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Meanwhile on the 'Other' end of the stick.. ;-)

 

To make sense of the question of whether Irish people are being ripped off or not, you would have to consider exactly how the Irish grid is being supplied. If you have more gas or coal generated power generation than the UK does, consumers would be more exposed to the world market price of those fuels. This could explain why you pay more per unit than UK customers. I note that the UK is not shown on your chart for some reason but the electricity price here is slightly less than what is shown for the EU27 average. I pay 28 Eur cents per kilowatt hour, BUT.... I also pay 70 pence a day standing charge so you would need to take that into account.

 

Standing charges are a total rip off for the small user and encourage power hogs to use what they like, subsidised by low consumption customers. Standing charge is my biggest cost component. I typically use about 3kwhr of electricity a day and about 35 kilowatt hours of gas.

 

This might help, but there is plenty online about the sources of energy supply on the Irish grid.

 

Look at the 154gCO2/kWh in #7054 to see how far we have come in 20 years. Back then in a previous life, the actual figure was over 500g, and the figure used for forward planning was 430g.

 

Massive change, still more to do, but something is working!

Look at the 154gCO2/kWh in #7054 to see how far we have come in 20 years. Back then in a previous life, the actual figure was over 500g, and the figure used for forward planning was 430g.

 

Massive change, still more to do, but something is working!

Yes Matthew - the change is often not acknowledged by the co2 hype brigade.

 

Right now the UK grid is producing power at 59g per Kwhr! Much wind....

 

I remember as a lad in 1966 going on school visits to various industrial sites as a real world eye opener. we went down a horrible coal mine 1400 feet under ground and crawled about at the coal face on our knees with our heads banging on the roof in a 3 foot coal seem. They had pit ponies in there, pulling tubs, but lots of lethal looking unguarded conveyor belts too. Health and safety would see the organisers of such a visit in court these days.

 

Then we went to a coal fired power station and peered into a window at the bottom of a giant boiler that was burning probably thousands of tonnes of coal a day. We stood by really hot turbines handling super heated steam. One of the operators told us that when they got a steam leak, they used to wave a mop around where they thought it was escaping because super heated steam is invisible at source but at about 500 centigrade. He said they knew where it was escaping because the mop went on fire.... Can't vouch for the truth of that, but it is what he said.

 

Both sites closed many years ago.

 

I will never forget the impression these visits made on me.

ICE vehicles do not need to visit a petrol station to refuel. A jerry can allows mobile refuelling by the driver no matter how remote the location.

 

Nobody is pretending there are no e-car disadvantages, least of all me. There are pluses and minuses for each, I just ask everyone to look at the whole picture to comment fairly.

 

In this respect there is an emergency top up on route for e-cars, both the AA and the RAC carry top up equipment now to get an e-car to the nearest charging point.

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Nobody is pretending there are no e-car disadvantages, least of all me. There are pluses and minuses for each, I just ask everyone to look at the whole picture to comment fairly.

 

In this respect there is an emergency top up on route for e-cars, both the AA and the RAC carry top up equipment now to get an e-car to the nearest charging point.

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They need that.

 

As I understand it, not having one, they can't be towed like ICE cars. They have to be uplifted completely if being recovered. This is hearsay - I have no experience of it myself.

109.2% of demand met at that point, lots of wind being exported.

I "export" a lot of wind sometimes..

But I don't get paid for it, worst luck..

.. I don't even get thanked!

Haha :-)

To make sense of the question of whether Irish people are being ripped off or not, you would have to consider exactly how the Irish grid is being supplied. If you have more gas or coal generated power generation than the UK does, consumers would be more exposed to the world market price of those fuels. This could explain why you pay more per unit than UK customers. I note that the UK is not shown on your chart for some reason but the electricity price here is slightly less than what is shown for the EU27 average. I pay 28 Eur cents per kilowatt hour, BUT.... I also pay 70 pence a day standing charge so you would need to take that into account.

 

Standing charges are a total rip off for the small user and encourage power hogs to use what they like, subsidised by low consumption customers. Standing charge is my biggest cost component. I typically use about 3kwhr of electricity a day and about 35 kilowatt hours of gas.

 

This might help, but there is plenty online about the sources of energy supply on the Irish grid.

 

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I don't call it the "Standing Charge"..

I call it the 'Stand And Deliver Charge'

Coz it reminds me of highway robbery

Sláinte :-)

I "export" a lot of wind sometimes..

But I don't get paid for it, worst luck..

.. I don't even get thanked!

Haha

That is the wrong sort of wind though.

 

I remember a programme on TV where a guy in a remote area was recycling his toilet waste into a fermentation vessel and produced usable methane to heat an out door hot tub. Mind you, I think he may have been putting barrow loads of cow slurry into it. I doubt the gas burner would produce much heat on the output of the odd human. The other thing about bio waste gas generators is that they need to be kept warmish, so the bugs can do their work. This makes them a bit 'ify' at the time when you probably mostly need the heat.

 

Still, mustn't complain. Most things on this planet work rather well for us, which is why we have reproduced to become the massive pest we are on the planet. Old Malthus - who is now laughed at, was right though. In the end, we WILL exterminate ourselves - or pretty much do it. It is impossible for a species to continually reproduce at the level we are doing and not use up all the capacity of the planet to support them. He predicted mass starvation. It WILL happen eventually, probably through global warming messing with our agriculture - eventually.

 

The green revolution fans will laugh - until they suddenly stop laughing, and realise that Malthus was right.

 

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/thomas-malthus.asp

They need that.

 

As I understand it, not having one, they can't be towed like ICE cars. They have to be uplifted completely if being recovered. This is hearsay - I have no experience of it myself.

 

That is largely correct. Not having a true gearbox, just a single stage reduction, they can only have an electrical "neutral" to allow them to be moved slowly a short distance. For example in a conveyer belt car wash, or winched onto a collection truck inclined platform, or pushed to the side of a road in the event of a breakdown.

 

However, they often have reserves of current. Mine has two, one of normal driving ten miles, plus one of three miles with reduced power.

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That is largely correct. Not having a true gearbox, just a single stage reduction, they can only have an electrical "neutral" to allow them to be moved slowly a short distance. For example in a conveyer belt car wash, or winched onto a collection truck inclined platform, or pushed to the side of a road in the event of a breakdown.

 

However, they often have reserves of current. Mine has two, one of normal driving ten miles, plus one of three miles with reduced power.

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Pity the Contactors are not accessible thru the car floor.. with Suitable Isolation.

(Apparently some batteries dodgy underseat hatches could give unlucky occu-pants, Hot Pants :-) )

Pity the Contactors are not accessible thru the car floor.

 

That's historic, the early first series Leaf with the lower voltage and capacity battery. There's been lots of changes since then, including the batteries far cheaper now than that quoted £10k.

 

Here's the chassis and battery of my current model:

 

Anatomy of a Habitable Planet by Sergio Díaz Ruiz

 

"This strangely familiar representation of the Earth transforms scientific data through colour mapping to highlight the devastation already inflicted on our world. The image poignantly emphasizes the significant environmental challenges we face and the urgent need to protect and preserve our planet."

– Victoria Lane, competition judge

 

 

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/dec/18/if-a-million-germans-have-them-there-must-be-something-in-it-how-balcony-solar-is-taking-off

 

£800 Balcony Solar Panels in Spain can save one third of the average family electricity bill. You can fit them yourself and plug them in.

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im using 20kw a day and generating 3-500w i have 8 panels and a 3kw inverter.

 

so to make it work in the winter how many more solar panels would i need to generate the extra 19.5kw i need.

 

or ill just move to Mercury

https://www.neimagazine.com/news/joint-development-deal-on-thorium-reactors/

https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/energy-research/articles/10.3389/fenrg.2023.1132611/full

https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2024/11/12/2979394/0/en/Clean-Core-Achieves-Historic-Burnup-Milestone-with-its-Thorium-Fuel-at-US-National-Lab.html

 

https://www.neimagazine.com/news/indias-lt-to-collaborate-on-aneel-fuel/

Commenters who "Work" as *employees* with ev vans say they Love them. Coz they can spend half their shift "doing naff all, waiting for charging, getting paid to watch YouTube ". Yay, and they're half price now! :-)

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/dec/18/if-a-million-germans-have-them-there-must-be-something-in-it-how-balcony-solar-is-taking-off

 

£800 Balcony Solar Panels in Spain can save one third of the average family electricity bill. You can fit them yourself and plug them in.

Great, Generators can fit them along Motorways. Same as the balcony idea, yes? Brilliant ;-)

What about the grey skies?