One clarification I would like to know.

However, is it a legal requirement that this happens automatically ?

 

Yes, because it is a pedelec construction provision of the exemption in Type Approval law, that only dealing with design and construction, not rider usage.

 

In other words, lets say you have a throttle, and your using it, and also doing the required 'ghost pedalling'. So every time you stop pedalling, you manually release the throttle.

 

Is that legal ?

 

No, since it is not a usage provision for the exemption.

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OK, thats clear, TVM.

 

So the follow on question would be, that if its possible to re-configure the controller when your out and about on the eBike, to alter the throttle behaviour, is that legal ?

 

To cancel the requirement for pedalling to be required when using the throttle does not take long with the KT controllers, if you stop and go through the setup.

OK, thats clear, TVM.

 

So the follow on question would be, that if its possible to re-configure the controller when your out and about on the eBike, to alter the throttle behaviour, is that legal ?

 

To cancel the requirement for pedalling to be required when using the throttle does not take long with the KT controllers, if you stop and go through the setup.

 

Not legal, since to be a pedelec exempt from motor vehicle law, there cannot be any assist power when pedalling stops. In this instance it is the usage law of the current EAPC regulation, which rules that it becomes a motor vehicle, namely an L1e-A moped.

 

BUT:

 

Take it througn the new 250 LPM MSVA test and it can be legally used as a pedelec.

 

Or just use it anyway, knowing the police are not interested in how a throttle works or whether one is fitted.

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it's difficult to judge right how much run off between pedal sensor pulses. If you blip the brakes, you'll cut momentarily power to the motor. The throttle will then need re-activating with pedalling.

 

I think you misunderstood my question. What I'm saying is, If I'm using the throttle as well as pedalling I can stop pedalling and keep the the throttle pressed, which keeps the motor going for as long as I've got the throttle pressed. Is that legal? The reason I'm asking is your post seemed to say the motor should cut out when the pedals are stopped even with the throttle pressed.

Not legal, since to be a pedelec exempt from motor vehicle law, there cannot be any assist power when pedalling stops. In this instance it is the usage law of the current EAPC regulation, which rules that it becomes a motor vehicle, namely an L1e-A moped.

 

BUT:

 

Take it througn the new 250 LPM MSVA test and it can be legally used as a pedelec.

 

Or just use it anyway, knowing the police are not interested in how a throttle works or whether one is fitted.

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Flecc you have the patience of a saint. I have been a member of this forum for 17 years and the amount of times I have read your explainations on this subject is numerous. Well done, long may you rock.

Saw this eariler tonight - throttle only 350W electric motorbike with no pedals, about to board a train. This model is 2 or 3 years old. Some sort of gaffa tape repair. Sometimes I don't know why I bother trying to be legal.

 

 

Edited September 29, 20232 yr by guerney

i got hate mail from council today

 

 

 

oh well silly cow will get the same letter as me and guy over the grass that bought his house never done any planing for his drive and a van he parks on it wtf they on pmsl

 

pot calls Ketel black sent my complaint to the chief housing officer got to go to public gather about there piss poor repairs on 5th free food no cider tho

i got hate mail from council today

 

They really hate you! You'll lose whatever battle you're planning about panning. Free lighter's a nice touch, softens the blow.

Edited September 29, 20232 yr by guerney

hi

 

no 1 we don't park on the grass and leave it there we only load or unload the car for shopping or doing a car boot and is then parked back on the road, plus we do not destroy the grass or rip out hole hedges with out asking you first.

 

2 regarding the drive way and the permission you are askin us to do can you please give me a copy of what cris has submitted to the council because as far as i know he did none of it, you cant have one rule for one and not the other just because he owns his own home and as wee only have 1 car we can get blocked in as why we never leave the car there in the first place.

 

3 house under occupied as 2 women live in a 3 bed room house mother and daughter 1 how does 2 ppl get a 3 bed council house? 2 most of the time the mother is not there or living somewhere else so id go take a look at that as the garden is a bomb site and the hedge is 15 feet high, they have not cut it down in size since they moved in.

 

4 fkn solar panels lcx has now been out twice there idea of serving the inverter is to go up in to the attic and reset it as it is password locked and nothing can be changed.

 

when the panels are generating load from say 11.30-2.30pm even with 2kw being generated it does not export, so no export fee for you im afraid and i can get no where with it as lcx tested it all and working fine? with what a step ladder.

 

ill send you some pics of the monitor i have because i can see it all in real time i have spoken to 3 3rd party company's and said it is not right but want £390 quid inc vat to take a look at it as lck is a waste of space they have nothing to test anything with export wise and it is clear as day something is not right as it makes a loud coil wine noise when under load as id be buzzing as well with 2kw up my ass i just dont want my house to burn to the floor as most ppl up here have never even had there's looked at since they was installed.

 

i was also told the service life of these things is 10 years esp for the cheap rubbish ones like in my roof!

 

5 id like to make a formal compliant about the house in the corner and parking on the grass and tearing it all up not even we do that and all 4 of us do it anyway simple option to fix it is open the road as no point in a drive if we are blocked in so a waste of money

 

regards

no 1 we don't park on the grass and leave it there we only load or unload the car for shopping or doing a car boot and is then parked back on the road, plus we do not destroy the grass or rip out hole hedges with out asking you first.

 

They'll read the rest as "Blah blah blah" and note you've admitted to parking on the grass.

 

BTW Bought a Korg Nanokey2. Takes up very little space, sounds and operates great, saves getting the big keyboards out. Only trouble is, it must be listed within the firtst 10 MIDI devices in Windows, else it won't work. Easily remedied...

Edited September 29, 20232 yr by guerney

we all park on the grass fkn ppl off there head idk ppl next door are like 80

we all park on the grass fkn ppl off there head idk ppl next door are like 80

 

Good eyesight though.

 

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Not legal, since to be a pedelec exempt from motor vehicle law, there cannot be any assist power when pedalling stops.

 

That I realise.

 

But for example, on the very common KT controllers is easy enough to turn that feature on or off.

 

Does the fact that you could (easily ?) disable the motor cut off when you stop pedalling make the bike not legal ?

That I realise.

 

But for example, on the very common KT controllers is easy enough to turn that feature on or off.

 

Does the fact that you could (easily ?) disable the motor cut off when you stop pedalling make the bike not legal ?

We've had all these discussions before. Just about every ebike can be derestricted or adjusted by some means or other to change their legality. Some can be done through an LCD, some by a phone app and some by pc cable. Technically, none are legal, but most of them are certified as complying with EN15194. The only thing you need to worry about is whether your bike is legal at the time you're stopped. The only exception would be if you had a big red switch on your handlebars that was marked "Off Road Switch" or "Derestrictor" or "Illegal Throttle operation", etc.

 

If you're worried about your KT controller, put a password in the settings, then nobody will be able to see that it's possible to change anything, and if they ask you, tell them that somebody else put athe password in it and you don't know what it is.

I think you misunderstood my question. What I'm saying is, If I'm using the throttle as well as pedalling I can stop pedalling and keep the the throttle pressed, which keeps the motor going for as long as I've got the throttle pressed. Is that legal? The reason I'm asking is your post seemed to say the motor should cut out when the pedals are stopped even with the throttle pressed.

Hello Jimod,

On your bike, the throttle is set for timeout by the brake sensors.

if the software decides to time out the throttle active time by say 10 seconds, the motor will stop after 10 seconds after the last pedalling pulse. Setting the run off time will cause an annoyance to the user because the power goes off without warning, which can be an unnecessary distraction. If you want the software to have a throttle timeout, I can ask my suppliers for that.

Edited September 29, 20232 yr by Woosh

That I realise.

 

But for example, on the very common KT controllers is easy enough to turn that feature on or off.

 

Does the fact that you could (easily ?) disable the motor cut off when you stop pedalling make the bike not legal ?

 

No, that doesn't make the pedelec illegal in practice. As Saneagle says, it doesn't qualify as an Off Road Switch. Altering in that way is the software equivalent of using tools to physically alter the machine.

 

As I said in my long reply to Jimod, we need to accept some flexibility in the way we view these legal situations. Strictly speaking laws are being broken, starting with the DfT doing it 20 years ago and continuing to in order to accommodate a difficult situation.

 

We can't expect those involved, the DfT, the Home Office and those who sell pedelecs to openly say, yes we are breaking the law. So we should allow them wriggle room, since after all, they are only doing it to provide what so many of us ask for and some need.

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Edited September 29, 20232 yr by flecc

Wisper will upgrade any of their bikes to full throttle for £300. They claim that they are fully road legal in the UK.

 

https://wisperbikes.com/full-throttle-option/

 

Hi Nigel, we dont just claim they are legal. We state that they are legal!

 

All the best, David