Bafang Max Drive

well I am new to all this ebike stuff, and still getting around on pedal power only.

 

But having come across the Bafang Max Drive, I am convinced that this is the way forward.

 

Been having a look at the YouTube stuff, and all is looking good, just a case of waiting now for UK dealers to grasp the nettle and offer this unit in various options, I can't help thinking that Bosch and Yamaha will be more than concerned about this upstart!

It is a good motor but it is Chinese. What we really need is a cheap European motor of the same style. It isn't a crazy idea even Gocycle can make a cheap version of their bikes when they want to.

 

My preference is the Yamaha because it has normal chainrings and you can even have two if you need them! Bosch, bof! Brose why not but too high end expensive still.

 

Hope won't come from the UK (the market is too small) but maybe one of the French or Spanish cheaper bike assemblers will get it on their bikes?

What's up with Chinese gear?

Lots of stuff is made there. Give them the money and they won't just gold plate it, they would make it gold.

Yep, Bafang Max Drive coupled to either Rohloff or Nuvinci 360 IGH would result in a dream machine, for not to much money me thinks!

What's up with Chinese gear?

Lots of stuff is made there. Give them the money and they won't just gold plate it, they would make it gold.

 

Tariffs, import duties, logistics... Nothing wrong with Chinese motors they make everything I ride anyway these days. Just that this specific motor needs a special frame to go in so you would most likely import the lot and we appear to be looking at anti dumping duties on Chinese e-bikes any day now...

I would have thought that a manufacturer could just buy in the Bafang Max Drive motor unit, and build into a UK or EU produced Max Drive specific frame.

apparently Bafang already have a frame mount --> http://www.szbaf.com/en/components/component/accessoires/fixation-parts-a.html

Yep tommie, seems that a few ebike manufacturers have already tooled up, for the Bafang Max Drive, none of the big names though, as Bosch and Yamaha seem to have got the big names already.

 

I did come across Maxwell of Australia, who list a Bafang Max Drive bike, although I guess they are just buying in ready made bikes from China.

 

Of course it is still early days for the Bafang Max Drive, from what I can tell it only went into production last year, I am sure we will start to see a lot more of them before to long.

 

Do we know who makes the Bosch and Yamaha motors, probably made under licence in China I would have thought.

The maxdrive is an excellent bit of kit - More torque than the Bosch or Yamaha motors too! Check my post in the next hour or so in the dealer offers section, we're selling a few prototype bikes off.

well I am new to all this ebike stuff, and still getting around on pedal power only.

 

But having come across the Bafang Max Drive, I am convinced that this is the way forward.

 

Been having a look at the YouTube stuff, and all is looking good, just a case of waiting now for UK dealers to grasp the nettle and offer this unit in various options, I can't help thinking that Bosch and Yamaha will be more than concerned about this upstart!

Did you see the maxdrive unit i posted? The only other I can see is the Martin at 1800 quid. Im with you they look good but what happens if they go wrong?

The maxdrive is an excellent bit of kit - More torque than the Bosch or Yamaha motors too! Check my post in the next hour or so in the dealer offers section, we're selling a few prototype bikes off.

Look forward to seeing that Zack

Did you see the maxdrive unit i posted? The only other I can see is the Martin at 1800 quid. Im with you they look good but what happens if they go wrong?

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Look forward to seeing that Zack

 

Here you go Andy: clicky a damn sight cheaper than the freego, however they are early prototypes, so don't carry branding if that kind of thing bothers you!

 

As far as "If it goes wrong" goes, we've ordered 10 complete motor kits (at $540 each) to pluck spares from should we need them so the spares are readily available! However I've been abusing one on and off road for 8 months now and it hasn't put a foot out of place!

Thanks for the heads up Zack, all I need to find now is Bafang Max Drive bike, that has Sliding Drop Outs, so that I can ditch the derailure and drop my Rohloff in.

 

In the ideal world I would need the Bafang to give a Chain Line of 54mm (58mm optional) otherwise I may have to use a Chain Tensioner.

 

Do you have any idea what the Chain Line is for the Bafang Max Drive, maybe it's the same as the BBS motors 60mm +/- although on those motors the Chain Line can be altered 5mm either way, using different Chain Rings, or by using Bottom Bracket spacers.

Thanks for the heads up Zack, all I need to find now is Bafang Max Drive bike, that has Sliding Drop Outs, so that I can ditch the derailure and drop my Rohloff in.

 

In the ideal world I would need the Bafang to give a Chain Line of 54mm (58mm optional) otherwise I may have to use a Chain Tensioner.

 

Do you have any idea what the Chain Line is for the Bafang Max Drive, maybe it's the same as the BBS motors 60mm +/- although on those motors the Chain Line can be altered 5mm either way, using different Chain Rings, or by using Bottom Bracket spacers.

 

wouldn't worry that much about the frame dropouts, mine were almost vertical so used a chain tensioner - BBS02 with Alfine 8 hub.

Yep tommie, if a Chain Tensioner is good enough for the £6000! Riese & Muller Bosch ebike that is Rohloff equipped, then it will be good enough for me on a Bafang Max Drive ebike.

 

Such a pity though though that Riese & Muller could not do the job properly, especially for that kind of money.

Such a pity though though that Riese & Muller could not do the job properly, especially for that kind of money.

 

Give me a chain tensioner any day of the week.

Don't get me wrong, and I have no problem with using a Chain Tensioner, but both my IGH bikes don't have one.

 

The bike with a SRAM Spectro P7 uses a Dennis Bushnell EBB, and my Rohloff bike uses Sliding Drop Out's.

 

Both systems are the best way of adjusting chain tension, and at the same time keeps the drive train neat.

 

Without EBB or Sliding Drop Outs, the only way of keeping chain tension when using a IGH is to use a Chain Tensioner, which is a compromise which ever way you skin the cat.

 

Of course using the Bafang Max Drive, rules out the EBB solution, but Sliding Drop Outs would work a treat.

 

I noticed that the Trek Super Commuter, uses a Bosch motor, and is a very nice rigid ebike, that uses Sliding Drop Outs, I

ideal for a Rohloff or Nuvinci 360 retro fit.

 

So it's not beyond the realms, that maybe one day a Bafang Max Drive bike will be available with Sliding Drop Outs, wishful thinking on my part.

I like the fixed tensioner on mine, seconds to adjust the chain tension compared to messing about with the bottom bracket or drop-outs.

E-bikes are much harder on chains so adjustments are required more often.

I think one of the reasons my chain did so well was because of the chain tensioner. Just to remind you 8560 miles.

Don't forget that you can't get the wheel off if you have mudguards fitted with horizontal drop-outs. If you do get it out, it's almost impossible to get back in with a heavy IGH, when you're out on the road.

Yep tommie, if a Chain Tensioner is good enough for the £6000! Riese & Muller Bosch ebike that is Rohloff equipped, then it will be good enough for me on a Bafang Max Drive ebike.

 

Such a pity though though that Riese & Muller could not do the job properly, especially for that kind of money.

 

The Riese and Muller Charger Rohloff has sliding drop outs and enough clearance on the mudguard to enable them to be used.

 

It also has an all but enclosed chain, so I doubt it would ever need adjustment anyway.

 

The frame has a raised chain stay, so in theory a belt could be fitted without modification.

 

Looks like a proper job to me.

 

Yep RobF it looks like R&M have upped there game, by adding Sliding Drop-Out's.

 

It has been a while since I last looked at there website, and back then the only model with a Rohloff was the "Delite" which did on the old model use a Rohloff mech hanger Chain Tensioner, but even that model now seems to have been updated with some kind of Chain Tentioner at the motor end.

 

Like you say, it is a proper job, although it has taken them some time to get there.

 

Also good to see that R&M have added a few more models using the Nuvinci 360 IGH.

 

Like I have said before, derailleur gears on an ebike just look silly, so last century meets this century it's almost beyond believe in this modern age.

 

Of course as we know, derailleur transmission is cheap as chips, compared to a decent IGH, not to mention that derailleur transmissions provide plenty of work for bicycle repair shops!

 

So far for me the R&M Charger with Rohloff is the best ebike that I have ever seen, thus far.

 

Although like the Delite, the Charger is at the thick end of £5000 which is just daft money to pay for a Rohloff equipped ebike.

 

I recon a Bafang Max Drive with Rohloff and specific frame, should be able to hit the market at half the price of the R&M offerings.

Edited November 30, 20169 yr by Rohloffboy

The Riese and Muller Charger Rohloff has sliding drop outs and enough clearance on the mudguard to enable them to be used.

 

It also has an all but enclosed chain, so I doubt it would ever need adjustment anyway.

 

The frame has a raised chain stay, so in theory a belt could be fitted without modification.

 

Looks like a proper job to me.

 

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How much does a set up like this cost?

Hi Andy,

 

From £4,499.00, over £5,000 for the 1000Wh version.

 

RM make no apologies for the price of these amazing, seriously high end bikes. In Holland and Germany they are massively popular, to the point R&M struggle to keep up with demand. They expect to sell nearly 20,000 units in the 2017 season.

 

We've only sold a few hundered in the U.K. so far but everyone that has invested in a R&M loves their bike. We have only ever had three small issues on RM bikes all of which were sorted immediately.

 

R&M are a little different to other ebikes, each bike is individually made to order and takes from three to five weeks from order to delivery. They have up to five frame sizes and so many options that making them individually is the only way they can run their business. The R&M web site has a bike builder to enable customers to specify exactly the bike they require. Even if you don't buy the bike, it's great fun building the ultimate dream machine! At the end of the bike building process a customer will be given a unique 6 digit code. If they ever want to order the bike they simply quote the code and it will take the R&M engineers straight to the correct specs.

 

R&M don't make all out mountain bikes, they specialise in long distance trekking, trail riding and urban comfort.

 

If anyone wants the ultimate in build and design quality a Riese & Muller is a great place to start the search!

 

https://www.r-m.de/en-gb/e-bike/charger-gx/

 

All the best, David

Edited November 30, 20169 yr by Wisper Bikes