Prices of the electricity we use to charge
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Keep politics out of this forum. It's supposed to be for chat about electric bikes, not politics. The title says Electric Bike General Discussion. What has what you posted got to do with electric bikes. There's a special part of the forum reserved for general chat where you can put it if you want. I will report any further such posts.
I don't think the forum would suffer at all from having this huge thread completely eliminated.
What does flecc think? He started it, but I don't expect he anticipated the consequences.
What does flecc think? He started it, but I don't expect he anticipated the consequences.
It doesn't have to be eliminated. Instead, it should be moved to the right place.
I totally agree since it only had the Title purpose. But I know the Administrators are unwilling to delete large numbers of innocent posts because some have lacked discipline.
It could perhaps be moved to The Charging Post as @saneagle. suggests.
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And Texas is famous for hailstorms that'll destroy all them flaps.
Haven't seen solar street lights bursting into flames, that's a new one!
Haven't seen solar street lights bursting into flames, that's a new one!
Combine offshore wind turbines with wave power is the newcomer in renewable technology.
We use the same area but double the yield, reduce LCOE by about 17%. Australia has huge potential.
We use the same area but double the yield, reduce LCOE by about 17%. Australia has huge potential.
Energy bills to rise by more than expected ahead of winter
www.bbc.co.uk
Meet the man who climbed Everest in shorts
Energy price cap: Typical annual household bill to rise by £35 in October
The £35 a year increase for a typical household is twice what analysts had predicted.
www.bbc.co.uk
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OFGEM says windfarms are to blame for leccy price rises incoming! Who would've thunk?
Oh and leccy cars keep crashing themselves?
peace
Oh and leccy cars keep crashing themselves?
peace
Of gem attributes the increase to balancing cost. To change that to blaming windfarms is misleading. When the grid cannot take electricity generated by windfarms, the agreement is they will tell the wind farms to switch off. If that happens due to high winds, then the gas powered stations are paid to replace the amount that the grid needs. The gas stations are paid as much as £6000 per MWH * for balancing the load. In comparison, the wind farms are paid £200 per MWH for switching off. So who is profiteering from the weakness of wind farms?OFGEM says windfarms are to blame for leccy price rises incoming! Who would've thunk?
Oh and leccy cars keep crashing themselves?
peace
Note*:
On December 12, 2022, the grid paid a record £27 million to peaking plants, with ScottishPower's Rye House gas station receiving rates of £6,000 per MWh.
In January 2025, two gas plants were paid more than £6 million each to operate during peak hours.
Correction: wind farms are paid 2p per kwh, £20 per mwh gas powered stations can be paid thousands of times more, simply because there is no alternatives. I honestly can't wait until ofgem gets rid of marginal pricing which is a cozy arrangement for the generators. The gas powered stations will close one by one, all gone by 2035.
You've gone mad.
Of course they won't.
Labour will likely lose the next election and Mad Miliband will be gone.
Even if he was still blighting the economy with his mad ideologue nonsense, and all the gas stations did disappear, we would be left devoid of power regularly every winter. Whenever we have a high pressure system sitting over the UK the wind generation power and any future wave power system winds right down to next to nothing. Sometimes the periods last well over a week. Last winter we had a month long period like this in Jan /feb.
National Grid: Live
Shows the live status of Great Britain’s electric power transmission network
grid.iamkate.com
Use the data available above to see the extent of the way wind power collapses during high pressure episodes.
I am of course as usual talking to myself.
There are many untrue statements, or distortions in that post you wrote.
The most expensive period for power generation last year occurred on 6/1/25. The price was £0.139 per kilowatt averaged over the day. That was an exceptional period of no wind. The generation price stayed high at between £0.10 per kilowatt and £0.12 per kilowatt for a month because of high pressure weather. At these times without gas we would have been reduced to trying to cope with about 5Gwatts of power when demand was actually between 36 and 38 Gwatts average over the days affected.
The crazy price you mentioned may have been for one half hour period when the grid could not cope any other way than to beg for power from a generator which was reluctant to come on stream. It does not in ANY WAY represent the true situation on a daily basis. If you were at all an honest interlocutor, you would be asking yourself why it was that there was no other power available than
Rye House gas station.
To quote that £6 a kilowatt hour was profoundly dishonest distortion.
Over the whole year the average price paid to generators was 8.38 pence per kilowatt hour. You might be better asking WHY even a cheap contract costs 26 pence per kilowatt hour, THREE TIMES the money paid to generators. Obviously, we have to pay the network costs, but where is the rest going? I note that the extra costs imposed today in the price rise are imposed to offer cheaper electricity to poor people. Maybe they should just use less of it like my mother did when we were hard up.
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If you take away the marginal pricing scheme, they'll close right now. They are subsidised to cover emergencies and when the winds don't blow.
You've gone mad.
In the US, trump signed an executive order to keep the coal powered stations running. Their maintenance costs afortune. Those plants are no longer viable. Ask ChatGPT to confirm this if you like. Time for fossil fuelled generators are gone. I have bought BP shares years ago, I follow the fortune of oil companies pretty closely.
i have a gas cooker and boiler and will still have both in 2035.
the uk is going bankrupt on purpose we rather import coal and trees for drax when both can be got in the uk so now we have the most expensive electric in the world.
and our rubbish powered station will still be going till 2050 burning rubbish as the tip is full and being shut down haha.
the uk is going bankrupt on purpose we rather import coal and trees for drax when both can be got in the uk so now we have the most expensive electric in the world.
and our rubbish powered station will still be going till 2050 burning rubbish as the tip is full and being shut down haha.
As an example of how partial you are in presenting information, you blamed balancing costs for the rise. You omitted to mention the fact that the largest part of the rise is due to an extension of the warm homes discount.
Ofgem site - notes to editors:
The price cap rise is driven by an increase in electricity balancing costs - adding around £1.23 a month to the average household bill. These cover the costs incurred by network operators to ensure a stable electricity supply, for when there is both too much power and too little power in the system, with the level set by the National Energy System Operator.
Other factors include costs associated with the extension of the Warm Home Discount (WHD) scheme (£1.42 a month). Looking forward, the WHD and forthcoming Debt Relief Scheme are important first steps to reduce the costs of bad debt by focusing support on those struggling to pay their bills and with historical debts from the energy crisis.
Ofgem site - notes to editors:
The price cap rise is driven by an increase in electricity balancing costs - adding around £1.23 a month to the average household bill. These cover the costs incurred by network operators to ensure a stable electricity supply, for when there is both too much power and too little power in the system, with the level set by the National Energy System Operator.
Other factors include costs associated with the extension of the Warm Home Discount (WHD) scheme (£1.42 a month). Looking forward, the WHD and forthcoming Debt Relief Scheme are important first steps to reduce the costs of bad debt by focusing support on those struggling to pay their bills and with historical debts from the energy crisis.
If you want to reduce the costs of electric power and make sure that we have a supply in winter high pressure periods, support fracking.
We have hundreds of years of shale gas supply under our feet.
We have hundreds of years of shale gas supply under our feet.
Wind turbines produce cheapest electricity when the winds blow. Gas turbines can't compete on price, solar can't compete on price either. There is no need to ban anyone from using gas, their price will help people choose not to continue with burning gas in 10 years time because renewables will then be cheaper than now. Just like the use of horses in agriculture when the tractors arrived.
We have thousands of years supply in uranium, tens of thousands of years of supply in thorium, why don't we use nuclear like in France? It's economics besides ecologically a good idea to use wind turbines and solar atm because they are cheapest, especially now that sodium batteries are mature tech. Technology improvements will continue to make them cheaper in the near future until nuclear can catch up. Trust me, China will be there to supply SMRs. Nuclear will then wipe the floor of wind and solar farms.
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