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  1. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    When will you stop misrepresenting me? I have never thought or believed that nobody else has an informed opinion. It's abundantly clear that very many Brexiters do have an informed opinion, but reach a different conclusion from that position. I respect that. But that doesn't stop me from...
  2. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I'm pleased to say that this state already exists in London, and for almost all ages, not just the young. For us immigration is a wholly positive thing. .
  3. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    A) over 60% B) I'll be satisfied with any proportion voting, so long as the margin was clear. But, if there is a very narrow margin to leave and a very low proportion of the electorate took part, it could become questionable whether the government could or would initiate leaving the EU. ...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    The fault of the tories is failing to adjust the size and resources of the NHS to match the population. When the NHS was formed, we had a population of 48 millions. It's risen since to one third bigger at over 64 millions. Over the years the NHS sometimes expanded to suit, but it needs to...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Agreed, but I see that as highly desirable and what we should have. No system is all good and the dominance of the unions is the downside, but I think that worth suffering for the overwhelming benefits for ordinary employees. Despite the very long period of criticism of France on this subject...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    There you go again, accusing me of something i haven't done. Not only have I not accused Brexiters of not understanding, I've acknowledged the disadvantages of Remaining. So let me make it even more clear that I did on my previous answer: Remaining has disadvantages. Leaving might have...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Your view on this baffles me, since very many UK citizens live and work in various EU countries and much prefer that to being in the UK. They often enjoy better incomes, shorter working hours and a higher standard of living. Equally there are large numbers from the EU living and working in the...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I well understand what remaining or leaving implies, and appreciate the disadvantages of remaining. But, contrary to what you posted to me yesterday, I do have the intelligence and vision to know what eventual union could achieve, and know that remaining might help that process. For that...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Classification as a terrrorist offence automatically puts in place a protocol meaning a speedy trial procedure. In this we fall in line with international protocols which protect individual rights. It's normally the CPS that decides on the classification of offences, so I wouldn't completely...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Oswald Mosley? ;) .
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    The trouble with that strategy is the likelyhood that the return terms would be worse. The rebate would be lost for starters, and we'd be unlikely to get some of the special status measures we have now. And new members have to accept the euro. .
  12. flecc

    Powacycle workbike has had it :( It's time to start looking for other bikes

    Of your selection I'd personally only consider the Oxygen for reliable everyday use long term. But I agree with Juicy, look wider for there are many very good e-bikes on the market, all far better than your old bike since things have moved a long way since that was designed. Also it's really...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    It's very easy for them to survive. First, they are a tax haven with numerous millionaires resident there. Second, they have cash rich companies like international investment advisors resident. Third, the UK looks after their representation in all other countries around the world, free of...
  14. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    In answer to myself, we probably will unfortunately, and not just the political aspects! :( Next week's edition of the BBC Radio 4 "The Human Zoo" program is about an aspect of the outcome, here's the blurb : That Post-Referendum Feeling Episode 3 of 8 In this episode, that morning-after...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Thanks Gray. It is indeed very much a matter of opinion and preferences, and the outcome is going to be interesting, both which way and the margin. I'm already wondering if we'll have to suffer endless analysis of how that outcome will affect us! Either outcome doesn't concern me since I...
  16. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    You didn't actually miss out, rather than given to you it was spent on your behalf, though you might not appreciate how. Among other things it's your share of Polaris, Trident, and a wide variety of other armaments. It's also your share of the costs of our wars in the Falklands, Balkans, Iraq...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I wouldn't argue with that and haven't done. One could say it was the culmination of the political stupidity that resulted in so many modern wars. .
  18. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    No, when I've given an opinion I've stated it as such. I've not indulged in quoting experts or figures, just stated well known facts, and repeated a few of them just a moment ago on this link. But of course you'd rather opine that such demonstrable facts are opinions. And I've never said or...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Not so, these are quoted facts: The conditions and costs Norway suffers in order to have unfettered trade with the EU. What happened to Switzerland when they tried to opt out of free movement of EU citizens. The huge industrial decline in Britain before we joined the EU. And that is without...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I can't manipulate what happened before we joined the EU, those of us old enough remember it only too well. I've made no claim to any moral ground, just given some facts, as just above. Work what out? What is this "it" that we need to work out? It's this sort of vague statement that...