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You are taking this beyond what I posted, I was referring to the Cycle Analyst which owners sometimes fit and use to defeat assist speed limits. If a supplier sells a pedelec with a programmable display that is pre-programmed to limit to the correct assist speed, it can be described at point of...

Yes, the 2018 introduction is type approval and SVA for throttle equipped pedelecs. Type approval and SVA law always specifies that modification away from the approved form is illegal and that will continue to be the case. .

You surprise me. Clearly the DfT isn't literally meaning a single button marked "Off-Road". Usage is the key. As the law makes absolutely clear, if a means of exceeding the legal assist limit is under a rider's control at any time, and that method is used, the pedelec becomes an illegal motor...

Thanks Shemozzle. As ever I think money limitation will inhibit the good intentions. Through one of the links I saw that £40 millions are promised for national cycling route improvements. London's TfL alone often spends more than that on cycling annually, so £40 millions nationally won't even...

If they don't permit you to program to over 15.5 mph assist on the manufacturer's voltage, as you said yours won't. In other words, if they are legal as supplied and cannot be programmed to illegal without altering something else as well like battery voltage, they are legal. .

No. it's not illegal because of the display, since the labelling law restricts it to 36 volts and you say the display cannot make it illegally fast on 36 volts. It seems you are entirely legal but could be illegal with a dongle fitted. .

I don't know the KT display so was misled by your earlier post into thinking it could be programmed to illegality. Clearly your bike is legal in the KT display respect. The battery voltage is irrelevant since the law says the bike must have a manufacturer label affixed with information which...

I think the first can easily be challenged at law and I don't see them as being legal. The DfT appears to support my view with this statement: The use of an "Off Road Button" however is strictly forbidden now and is specifically mentioned in documents appertaining to new and existing...

True everywhere I think. There's a parallel of this between the enthusiast car drivers and the run-of-the-mill drivers on our roads who scrape through their driving tests. It's the latter who do the most stupid things on our roads. .

For the less usual and possibly marginal, that's true, but of course that's the vague nature of the law that is to blame. Solicitors will be equally clueless, which is why the lawmakers, the DfT themselves, usually state in their guidance notes that the document is only their view of the law...

That's why I'm maintaining that throttles are ok on non-type approved new e-bikes until January 2018. Using one is an offence, but all the authorities can do is wag an admonitory finger at offenders. A bit like the Japanese seat belt law, where offenders must appear in court and be found...

I'm just interpreting what the law might say about this method, not about what is logical. .

Jumping to his defence, KudosDave isn't posting about the S class, he just wants the ordinary pedelecs to remain the same The trade has pushed the DfT to try to get approval for the S class and continues to do so. Kudos Dave is not opposed to that. At present the DfT are opposed to having...

No, because the user has control of the Cycle Analyst. With a more fixed limitation to 15.5 mph it could be legal. .

There is one intended: What are the penalties for not having type approval? The relevant domestic regulations are in draft form and will be subject to a short consultation in due course. Currently a range of fines are envisaged as penalties, depending on the severity and persistence of the...

No problem Dave: December 2015 Guidance on European Type Approval for certain Electrically Assisted Pedal Cycles (EAPC) Section 3.2 Requirements of European type approval for vehicles sold after 1 Jan 2018. From 1 Jan 2018 all EAPC which are of the “twist and go” type will need a full type...

Thanks Turbo911, no apology necessary. We are a bit sensitive and protective about the word pedelec for various reasons, most particularly their bureacracy free status. Getting the meaning mixed up with machines classified as needing registration etc is a risk we want to avoid to keep our...

No they are not pedelecs. You seem to be interpreting the word pedelec as universally applying to everything electric motored with pedals, That's wrong on two counts. First, the word pedelec came from mainland Europe and was expressly only the name for a legal 250 watt EPAC/EAPC. There is a...

I don't know why you are struggling to understand. For use anywhere on UK roads or in any other place the public has access to, a pedelec is limited to a 250 watts rating. Anything above that is classified as a moped or motorcycle, regardless of whether it has pedals or not. Underlining this...

I agree that this situation is extremely serious and presents a real threat to the European project. For many that's a potential disaster, for some others, particularly in the UK, a cause for celebration. But just as previously within the EU, Germany will come out of it wealthier and smelling...