250W / 48V 10ah on-off Road? (BMX)‏‏

[X JEDI SINGH X]

Hi,

I have 20" 250W E-Bike KIT and LiFePO4 Battery 48V 10AH Aluminium Case, Can you please tell me if it is leagal to take BMX 250w 48v on british roads or with every footpath?

Thanks

 

[eddieo]

One of these? looks very good fun! if 250 Watt it is probably legal.

But I would be concerned regards being visible on the road...Buses, coaches lorries ideal if after a near death/death experience I would think


YouTube - kmx kart with brushless hub motor 48v

 

[daniel.weck]

BMX or KMX ??

Bicycle or Tricycle ?

 

[X JEDI SINGH X]

BMX or KMX ??

Bicycle or Tricycle ?

Bicycle for BMX

 

[X JEDI SINGH X]

One of these? looks very good fun! if 250 Watt it is probably legal.

250W use Tricycle on road! but think no sure bicycle BMX?

 

[X JEDI SINGH X]

Please tell me know before i buy BMX,

BMX Bike on 48V 250w legal on UK Roads

 

[flecc]

The voltage doesn't matter, it just has to be rated at 250 watts or less under EU law which was ratified here in the UK on 10th November 2002.

Unfortunately our civil service forgot to cancel the existing British regulations at the same time, so technically the limit in Britain under British law is still 200 watts. However, this technicality is universally ignored, including by manufacturers, so you need not worrry about it. In any case, there are plans in hand to clear up this mess during the next two years when parliamentary time becomes available.

So yes, a motor with 250 watts rating is legal on any kind of bicycle in the UK, so long as it complies with other bicycle laws such as having two independent brakes.
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[X JEDI SINGH X]

Thanks,

I will get Folding Mountain Bike, No need BMX ok. I buy wheel 26" and 48V 250W from conhismotor.com.

Please tell me which batter:- Rear or Front wheel? Why this different Rear and Front motor

 

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[X JEDI SINGH X]

Please tell me which batter:- Rear or Front wheel? Why this different Rear and Front motor

 

[eddieo]

can we have a moderator please!

 

[flecc]

Please tell me which batter:- Rear or Front wheel? Why this different Rear and Front motor

Front drive has the advantage of two wheel traction, pedals driving rear and motor at front, useful in poor road conditions. It has the disadvantage of less comfortable ride due to the high unsprung weight. Suspension forks alleviate the effects of that to some extent. Traction can also be lost on poor or slippery surfaces with a powerful motor when pulling a trailer uphill.

Rear motors have the advantage of greater comfort and better trailer control. The disadvantages are poor weight distribution, much of the weight at the rear, and often gearing limitations. For example, no hub gears possible, and derailleurs limited to using freewheel sprocket clusters. These are much more limited in range than cassette systems and are weaker as well.
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[dan]

the limit in Britain under British law is still 200 watts. However, this technicality is universally ignored, including by manufacturers, so you need not worrry about it. In any case, there are plans in hand to clear up this mess during the next two years when parliamentary time becomes available.

So yes, a motor with 250 watts rating is legal on any kind of bicycle in the UK, so long as it complies with other bicycle laws such as having two independent brakes.
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Ignoring a law does not make it legal..the law as it stands is 200 watts on a 2 wheeler....anything above that is light moped and should be registered with the DVLA....if you want to check , call the Department for Transport on 020 7944 2086...at this moment in time the regulations are in consultation stage, and one option put forward by the DfT is for no changes to be made...personaly i dont care one way or the other

 

[flecc]

Ignoring a law does not make it legal..the law as it stands is 200 watts on a 2 wheeler....

Although technically true, it won't be in practice, since there will be no successful prosecution for these reasons:

The majority of the 20,000 e-bikes sold per annum in the UK are 250 watt rated and have been for many years.

The DfT will not support a prosecution and have refused to give a definitive ruling.

Since the civil service have the change to 250 watts in hand, there is no public interest or gain in such a prosecution.

We are subject to a mandatory EU order specifying 250 watts and cancellation of our national law, and this order was passed fully into UK law on 10th November 2003. The European court can and would overrule a conviction if asked to do so. Just as you say ignoring a law does not make it legal, Britain ignoring a lawful order does not make it invalid.

X JEDI SINGH X need have no fear of using a 250 watt rated motor.
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[dan]

Although technically true, it won't be in practice, since there will be no successful prosecution for these reasons:

The majority of the 20,000 e-bikes sold per annum in the UK are 250 watt rated and have been for many years.

The DfT will not support a prosecution and have refused to give a definitive ruling.

Since the civil service have the change to 250 watts in hand, there is no public interest or gain in such a prosecution.

We are subject to a mandatory EU order specifying 250 watts and cancellation of our national law, and this order was passed fully into UK law on 10th November 2003. The European court can and would overrule a conviction if asked to do so. Just as you say ignoring a law does not make it legal, Britain ignoring a lawful order does not make it invalid.

X JEDI SINGH X need have no fear of using a 250 watt rated motor.
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again you are wrong...you keep trotting this out....read the EAPC Consultation document....you will see there is an option to keep the existing law....the DfT dont prosecute in this country, the Crown Prosection Service do....I have been a called as a witness in at least 3 cases over last few years....also have been contacted by the police who intended to prosecute and solicitors defending cases....also I know of a number of bike dealers who have had visits from the traffic police to go through the regulations with them....the aim in most cases I have been involved in was to prove that the electric bike being used was in fact a motorised vehicle and not exempt. one case was of a guy how was drunk riding his electric bike and fell off in front of a local police office....he was know to the police as he had been found guilty twice for drunken driving in the same area.....I had to produce, as one of his defence witneses, the full technical specification of the bike and belive me if it had had a 250 watt motor he would have been found guilty. In another case in Bournemouth, were a person had been found guilty of riding his electric bike without insurance and given a fine and 6 points on his license, we submitted evidence to the appeal hearing in front of a circuit Judge and 2 magistrates, that his electric bike complied with the law....again if he had had a 250 watt motor he would have lost his appeal.....I could go on but whats the point, no one is going to convince you that you are wrong....you hold yourself up to this forum as an expert, and as such you should be very carefull when giving legal advice to others

 

[flecc]

you should be very carefull when giving legal advice to others

Of course it's the CPS who prosecute and I've said no different. I said the DfT would not support a prosecution.

I'm being as careful as all the manufacturers, importers and dealers selling the 250 watt bikes here, and they are the great majority with very little choice of 200 watt bikes now. That's also sufficient for all those who have bought and use these bikes and good enough for me.

If you are going to be fussy about the detail, none of them meet the regulations. Did the 200 watt bikes in your cases have prominent frame mounted permanent labelling of battery voltage, motor wattage and manufacturer's name?

No of course they didn't, so that's another offence.

In fact I don't even think you were right in your advice in those court cases, see the text which I've bold highlighted:

In 2004 a European Directive harmonised 'type approval' procedures for motorcycles whilst making an exemption for electrically assisted pedal cycles. Type approval comprises technical safety tests that a motor vehicle has to pass before it can be put on the market. Like the Pedal Bicycles (Safety Regulations), these tests are of concern to the manufacturer and retailer and not something the customer or user ordinarily has to bother about. The EAPC exemption is based on the majority European definition of an EAPC, i.e. a pedelec. So all E-bikes now have to go through motor vehicle type approval before they can be sold in UK, including those that can be used just like pedal cycles once the customer gets them out of the shop.

And then there's this from the DVLA, clearly indicating that up to 250 watts is the norm for EAPCs:

The requirements applicable to EAPCs outside the scope of the 1983 EAPC regulations vary. Certain types, for example, those whose power exceeds 250 watts may require either a European Certificate of Conformity (issued by the manufacturer as part of the "Type Approval" procedure) or an individual pre-registration assessment; others may be registered directly with DVLA.
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[dan]

If you are going to be fussy about the detail, none of them meet the regulations. Did the 200 watt bikes in your cases have prominent frame mounted permanent labelling of battery voltage, motor wattage and manufacturer's name?

No of course they didn't, so that's another offence.

sorry you are wrong again they did and they also included on the label that the rider had to be 14 or over

 

[flecc]

sorry you are wrong again they did and they also included on the label that the rider had to be 14 or over

Could you tell me which e-bike manufacturer does that Dan?

It's a serious query for me to be up to date with such information. At present I only know of one person who intends to manufacture in the near future and do that.
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[Alex728]

The Powacycle Salisbury is plated with voltage and wattage as well as the name of a Chinese company (presumably where it is made). At least mine is anyway. Nothing about age mentioned though...

The Wisper does have a label of voltage/wattage on the hub motor (not exactly prominent).