Bike Cameras. The Negatives and Positives of using them

4bound

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Yes, I would certainly recommend the Hornit. although I must admit it's never clear to me if car drivers have actually heard it or not.
I have to remind myself that walkers are individuals not a group. So if one shouts at me because I let them know I am behind ( "How much **** room do you want?"), and another because I don't ( "Can't you Let me know you are about to pass?"). They are just different people and you can't please them all.
I had to use my Hornit yesterday when three teenagers were cycling towards me side by side across the cyclepath, none of them looking forward, or noticing me coming the other way!
 

tillson

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Whilst there is no doubt that some drivers have a shocking lack of regard for cyclist either through deliberate acts or carelessness (I suspect the latter in most cases), I have never gone after the culprit on the offensive. I can't see the point, other than it may vent a certain amount immediate anger and fear on the part of the cyclist. I admit that I have an urge to shout something or bang on the vehicle if I fall victim to bad or aggressive driving, but this must be resisted as it can only exacerbate the situation and set cyclist and driver at each other's throat. This is no good for anyone and will create or harden further animosity between cyclist and driver for the future. When I have had the need to say something, where possible I have caught up with drivers and said something along the lines of, "you came very close to me back there and I thought for a moment that you were going to knock me off my bike. I'd feel much safer if you could give me a few inches of more space next time and I'd also appreciate it too. " Responses have ranged fro F Off to acceptance and an apology, but I would like to bet that in all cases it has made the driver think and that probably leads to them behaving a bit more carefully next time. It's difficult to keep calm, but difficult usually leads to the better outcome in all walks of life. It's easy to cave in to spontaneous emotion.

I was knocked off my bike a week ago last Friday by a pedestrian. I was cycling along an arrow straight flat section of national speed limit single carriageway road. It had a pavement on my near side with two female pedestrians walking towards me, both head down tapping away on smart phones. The instant I was almost level with them, the one closest to me suddenly lurched towards the road, lost her footing on the kerb and stepped backwards into the road and into my path. As she turned to step backwards a huge rucksack on her back presented itself and stuck even further out into the road, which slammed into my left shoulder. This unsettled the bike and brought the front wheel into the kerb sending me sliding along the cheese grater textured pavement with the bike still clipped onto my feet. According to Strava (cycling app) I hit her at 24 mph.

The grazing to my left side was quite nasty, but I have healed remarkably well and I am full fit again now. I was more upset about the damage to my new bike's handlebars and shifters (only had it a month), but at least I have learnt a new skill from the experience, handlebar tape binding, and the frame is unblemished. The woman was very apologetic and offered to call for an ambulance, but I was so angry that I couldn't speak to her. I knew that if I said just one word it would be like breaching a dam wall and an unstoppable tirade of abuse would follow. So I chose to sit on the pavement gazing at the ground in total silence until they both waddled off down the road. I think she got the message and maybe she will reflect on what could have happened if I had been driving a vehicle.
 

flecc

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I had that combination, a polite bell for pedestrians and the Airzound, but as described, the Airzound had to go in the end. It wasn't achieving anything useful.
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shemozzle999

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I once had one of the Airzound pressure horns. It was devastatingly loud but drivers never realised it could be coming from a bike so just looked all around in puzzlement.

On the other hand, pedestrians needed a change of underwear each time I used it, so in the end I took it off the bike and slung it.
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Check out video at 1.00 min in, you could announce your arrival:

 

Croxden

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Was it the bell replacement?
 

SteveRuss

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No need for cameras here:

spot the Electric bike ?
Many cities across the Uk are seemingly trying to encourage cyclists with their own road system. Impossible to implement in some places but the places that do are financially challenged with the huge cost. Bristol is trying. That however shows a real commitment to cyclists. Good for the Dutch..
 

Croxden

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Safe enough for no helmets. I remember as a child somewhere almost 70 years ago (Morecambe I think) they were building special cycleways. Must be the same man doing that job as works on the roads here, if they had two men I'm sure it would get done twice as fast.
 

flecc

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You are kidding me. A cycle viaduct?? Beautiful.

In the East End of London we've done the opposite.

The vehicles speed over the flyover and the cyclists are directed into the roundabout below to find their way around that among the local traffic and climb back out.

But there in The Netherlands 70% cycle regularly, in Britain it's just over 3%, so we can hardly blame the politicians. The sort of expenditure for a flyover like that just cannot be justified at present here for such a small minority.

The argument that a flyover would get much larger numbers cycling doesn't really hold up, since Milton Keynes has many wonderful separated cycle routes but the majority still won't cycle there.

Most Britons just don't seem to want to cycle.
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SteveRuss

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In the East End of London we've done the opposite.

The vehicles speed over the flyover and the cyclists are directed into the roundabout below to find their way around that among the local traffic and climb back out.

But there in The Netherlands 70% cycle regularly, in Britain it's just over 3%, so we can hardly blame the politicians. The sort of expenditure for a flyover like that just cannot be justified at present here for such a small minority.

The argument that a flyover would get much larger numbers cycling doesn't really hold up, since Milton Keynes has many wonderful separated cycle routes but the majority still won't cycle there.

Most Britons just don't seem to want to cycle.
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Yeah. I know. It's a bit sad really.

Maybe e-biking will speed up the change?
 
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