I have been reading these exchanges over the last few days , and while I will not be commenting on individual UK persons, I think that Zlatans argument is the more reasonable. Calling all members of a political party by an offensive term is frankly hate speech. The only time one has licence to do so, is when they are a legally proscribed organisation.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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That entire lecture was a pleasure to read...
I don't know the man, but he seems no fool. He's missed out Whatsapp groups though: a rapidly proliferating and largely invisible delivery mechanism for fear soaked lying angry fever-dreams. And something I had no real awareness of until recently, because I don't use any form of social media - apart from this website, which I blame my ebike for, along with my dwindling fitness levels. Must go out for a slow jog...
It really did need a bit of "Feel-good" at the end, it was a lecture.
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Hate speech is threatening speech against a particular group on the basis of prejudice based on race, religion or sexual orientation. It is not making a largely accurate observation about the misconduct of a specific (sexually culturally and religiously heterogenous) group of civil servants.
Aside from that zlatan has managed to conflate the murder of a tory mp by an Islamic fundamentalist (a few years after the murder of a labour mp by a brexit fundamentalist) into something labour is supposedly responsible for.
Political parties are not civil servants ... Hate speech does not have to threaten.. And yes it is prejudice to castigate as undesirable any member of any group ,..without refering to their INDIVIDUAL behaviour.
As far as I know she was referring to opposition mp's. Not the tory party membership. And prejudice is unsubstantiated views based on bigotry assumption. I gather you have not been following the news about the number of MP receiving donations from dodgy donors? "Castigate as undesirable"? This isnt the Indian caste system. The word scum is a description for being corrupt.
No I did not Jonathon. I actually said I doubt there is a genuine link between the two events.
There doesn't have to be a direct link for thm to interact on people's minds. Rayner's comments have, since the murder, been prevalent on social media,prompting discussion about both events. Either way, link or no link, it's simply not an acceptable way to speak for any MP let alone a deputy leader. It's damaging to her, the party and gains nothing.
I suspect she now regrets the outburst but perhaps she enjoys the notorioty.
I, m sorry Jonathon, personly think her sentiments are utterly indefensible. If she feels that way about certain individuals she should take action accordingly and specifically.
In every walk of life there is a right way and a wrong one to lodge protest about people's behaviour. This was the wrong way.
I suspect her outburst was rather more calculated, a rallying call for those likely to agree with her thinking and behaviour. Fortunately that didn't work either.
Labour and Lib Dems to stand aside in Southend West by-election
It follows calls from a Labour peer for all major parties to leave the seat to the Conservatives following Sir David Amess’ murder.
www.standard.co.uk
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Next fall out with a colleague /boss/patient call them misogynistic, homophobic, banana Republic scum and see how long before you are sacked. I doubt you thinking it case will be much of a defence.???
And I can't find any dictionary definition linking scum with corruption.??
Wrong.
For one simple reason: We have collective cabinet responsibility. If one is deemed suitable for castigation (due to decisions made in cabinet - not unrelated things), they all are. They are each and every one fully responsible even if individuals were not present - simply being a cabinet member is sufficient.
I think the lowest class of society implies those who indulge in corrupt behaviour. And the cover and conceal aspects fit corruption very well. As well as "dirt".
scum (n.)
early 14c. (implied in scummer "shallow ladle for removing scum"), from Middle Dutch schume "foam, froth," from Proto-Germanic *skuma- (source also of Old Norse skum, Old High German scum, German Schaum "foam, froth"), perhaps from PIE root *(s)keu- "to cover, conceal" on the notion of "that which covers the water."
Sense deteriorated from "thin layer atop liquid" to "film of dirt," then just "dirt." Meaning "lowest class of humanity" is 1580s; scum of the Earth is from 1712. Adopted in Romanic (Old French escume, Modern French écume, Spanish escuma, Italian schiuma).
Reminds me of the old quip about lawyers being the cream of society. Rich and thick.
My colleagues may be flawed, but they havent quite reached the level of taking bribes to defraud the practice. If they did, I would call them scum (amongst other rhings). In public, to their faces.
Have you considered changing your nic to "conflate the desperate conflator"?
The insanity of voting conservative perchance? allowing the country to be run by a disorganised crime syndicate, people who stir up dissent, between UK voters, to promote paymasters agendas and wage wars that are none of our business to please the USA and Saudis, take bribes and are beholding to Russia and Israel, while selling arms to regimes with hellish human rights records,
And why the voters do so? because they are personally afraid of being required to contribute more to support the less fortunate here and abroad?
Can I purchase some Schrödinger's chain from you?No I did not Jonathon. I actually said I doubt there is a genuine link between the two events.
There doesn't have to be a direct link for thm to interact on people's minds. Rayner's comments have, since the murder, been prevalent on social media,prompting discussion about both events. Either way, link or no link, it's simply not an acceptable way to speak for any MP let alone a deputy leader. It's damaging to her, the party and gains nothing.
I suspect she now regrets the outburst but perhaps she enjoys the notorioty.
I, m sorry Jonathon, personly think her sentiments are utterly indefensible. If she feels that way about certain individuals she should take action accordingly and specifically.
In every walk of life there is a right way and a wrong one to lodge protest about people's behaviour. This was the wrong way.
I suspect her outburst was rather more calculated, a rallying call for those likely to agree with her thinking and behaviour. Fortunately that didn't work either.
Labour and Lib Dems to stand aside in Southend West by-election
It follows calls from a Labour peer for all major parties to leave the seat to the Conservatives following Sir David Amess’ murder.
First there is a link. Then there isn't.
Tory brains are different:
Conservative and Liberal Brains Might Have Some Real Differences
Scanners try to watch the red-blue divide play out underneath the skull
www.scientificamerican.com
Conservatism and the neural circuitry of threat: economic conservatism predicts greater amygdala–BNST connectivity during periods of threat vs safety
Political conservatism is associated with an increased negativity bias, including increased attention and reactivity toward negative and threatening stimuli. Although the human amygdala has been implicated in the response to threatening stimuli, no studies ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Political Orientations Are Correlated with Brain Structure in Young Adults
Substantial differences exist in the cognitive styles of liberals and conservatives on psychological measures []. Variability in political attitudes reflects genetic influences and their interaction with environmental factors []. Recent work has shown ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Do they actually have any structure to their brains?Tory brains are different:
Conservatism and the neural circuitry of threat: economic conservatism predicts greater amygdala–BNST connectivity during periods of threat vs safety
Political conservatism is associated with an increased negativity bias, including increased attention and reactivity toward negative and threatening stimuli. Although the human amygdala has been implicated in the response to threatening stimuli, no studies ...
Political Orientations Are Correlated with Brain Structure in Young Adults
Substantial differences exist in the cognitive styles of liberals and conservatives on psychological measures []. Variability in political attitudes reflects genetic influences and their interaction with environmental factors []. Recent work has shown ...
Conservative and Liberal Brains Might Have Some Real Differences
Scanners try to watch the red-blue divide play out underneath the skull
Mountbatten after been torpedoed during war, came to surface along side an ordinary seaman..
"funny how scum always rises to top*... Was seaman's retort...
Rayner must have been brought up on a different street to me. Misogynistic, homophobic????
"funny how scum always rises to top*... Was seaman's retort...
Rayner must have been brought up on a different street to me. Misogynistic, homophobic????
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Yes, they are the ones with higher Neanderthal content.
Tory brain: Me want, me take, Ugh.
Liberal brain: He wants, better give him or he take and hit me with big club.
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Jonathon..
Agreed, we can always justify the bad behaviour of those we support but see fault those we oppose. It's human nature.
Think we ought to rise above our base instincts and see faults and merits on all sides... Not doing is prejudiced.
Nobody is suggesting all Tories are perfect but like wise they aren't all scum either.
metro.co.uk
This really benefits the Labour cause??? I often think some Tory donor pays Labour to shoot itself in feet so often.
Agreed, we can always justify the bad behaviour of those we support but see fault those we oppose. It's human nature.
Think we ought to rise above our base instincts and see faults and merits on all sides... Not doing is prejudiced.
Nobody is suggesting all Tories are perfect but like wise they aren't all scum either.
Angela Rayner slammed for 'trite sympathy' after repeatedly saying 'Tory scum'
After the fatal stabbing of a Tory MP, critics suggested her 'dehumanising' language could spur acts of violence against Conservatives.
metro.co.uk
This really benefits the Labour cause??? I often think some Tory donor pays Labour to shoot itself in feet so often.
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