Brexit, for once some facts.

Fingers

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May and her blue coat reminds me of Paddington Bear.

I bet she brings marmalade sandwiches in her handbag
 

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Well, we told the EU that we are leaving, goodbye, sod off, we don’t need you anymore. Then 3 years later we beg the EU to allow us to stay for three months longer because we don’t know what we are doing or what we want. They say no, we will allow you to stay for a month to get your ** together. A month later we still don’t know what we doing, what we want, or how to get what we don’t know we want, so we again beg them to allow us to stay for two months longer. After making the Prime Minister sit in the naughty corner for five hours, whilst they have a good laugh at the U.K., they say no you can stay until Halloween night, six months longer!

How much more of this humiliation are we going to put ourselves through? Can’t people see that the UK can never leave the EU and be successful alone? This is the EU, our closest neighbour, imagine how we are going to perform against some of the hard-nosed nations when it comes to trade and international relations. It doesn’t bear thinking about!

I keep saying it, but we really do need to bin this Brexit fiasco.
 

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Well, we told the EU that we are leaving, goodbye, sod off, we don’t need you anymore. Then 3 years later we beg the EU to allow us to stay for three months longer because we don’t know what we are doing or what we want. They say no, we will allow you to stay for a month to get your ** together. A month later we still don’t know what we doing, what we want, or how to get what we don’t know we want, so we again beg them to allow us to stay for two months longer. After making the Prime Minister sit in the naughty corner for five hours, whilst they have a good laugh at the U.K., they say no you can stay until Halloween night, six months longer!

How much more of this humiliation are we going to put ourselves through? Can’t people see that the UK can never leave the EU and be successful alone? This is the EU, our closest neighbour, imagine how we are going to perform against some of the hard-nosed nations when it comes to trade and international relations. It doesn’t bear thinking about!

I keep saying it, but we really do need to bin this Brexit fiasco.
And still the government keeps trying to avoid the obvious, who are they working for?
 

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You are a very silly man.
Much sillier than you could ever imagine.

But please stay on topic and answer the questions.
 
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This is an excellent article that explains the problem is not just in the UK:

https://quillette.com/2019/04/10/the-end-of-aspiration/
Although there's truth in what he writes, the problem in the UK is far more due to the financialisation of property. Treating land and property and particularly homes as investments has for decades put property on an escalator of both purchase prices and rents

The outcome has been costs far beyond any true values and far beyond affordability for many.
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I very much look forward to meeting this challenge head on.
OK so where are the answers to the questions then? I think hell will freeze over before you ever meet a challenge head on, that isn't your style...
 
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Although there's truth in what he writes, the problem in the UK is far more due to the financialisation of property. Treating land and property and particularly homes as investments has for decades put property on an escalator of both purchase prices and rents

The outcome has been costs far beyond any true values and far beyond affordability for many.
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Having done my share of caravaning in earlier decades, I have come to the conclusion that the main obstacle to affordable accommodation is sewage. We have what can only be described as a scandal in housing here in Ireland with entire families being forced to live in hotels at state expense, because of inadequate housing stock in our major towns. Mobile homes ,while a poor substitute for bricks and mortar, are greatly superior to cramped hotel accommodation,where the people have no right to cook their own food . But the problem comes down to lack of mains sewage. Electric incineration toilets would protect public health ,
 
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Although there's truth in what he writes, the problem in the UK is far more due to the financialisation of property. Treating land and property and particularly homes as investments has for decades put property on an escalator of both purchase prices and rents

The outcome has been costs far beyond any true values and far beyond affordability for many.
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I tend to agree but owning land and a house on it has not been on the cards for me for quite some time, so I can relate to the way young people are reacting to home ownership.

The whole gilet jaune thing has its roots in this problem:

- in order to own land and a home on it French people have been forced to buy land far from their work place (and town centres) where it is cheap enough
- this means owning at least two cars because there is no public transport available for getting to work, school, other activities
- rising energy costs have made already tight family budgets impossible to stick to

Add that all up and you get people who are de-socialised - no money for leisure, living isolated from cultural activities, bitter with society because "just about managing",...
 

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Although there's truth in what he writes, the problem in the UK is far more due to the financialisation of property. Treating land and property and particularly homes as investments has for decades put property on an escalator of both purchase prices and rents

The outcome has been costs far beyond any true values and far beyond affordability for many.
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It is I think particularly Anglo Saxon problem.in this case including Ireland, and seems to be less of a problem in mainland Europe. I am open to correction here, but house purchase prices,except perhaps flats in major cities do not inflat.
 
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Did you hear about the Dutch elections a couple of weeks ago? No. That's funny, nor did I. Even a Google search shows almost zero newspaper headlines. No video clips from CNN nor the BBC. Was there anything on our news? Why is that? Could it because the anti-immigration, anti-globalisation, anti-EU, nationalistic party won? You would have thought that an event like that would be all over the news. It's a revellation. The party that won didn't even exist until a couple of years ago. Now tell me that the mainstream media aren't biased.

Spain elections are next month, where the same is expected to happen. I'm now thinking that a general election will sort out our mess. No wonder the present politicians don't want it. Can you imagine Gerard Batten as PM, Tommy Robinson as Minister of Defence and Nigel Farage as Home Secretary? It could well happen. Look on the bright side. I'm pretty sure that the BBC TV licence tax would be their first target, so you'd at least be £154.50 pa better off.
 
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Having done my share of caravaning in earlier decades, I have come to the conclusion that the main obstacle to affordable accommodation is sewage. We have what can only be described as a scandal in housing here in Ireland with entire families being forced to live in hotels at state expense, because of inadequate housing stock in our major towns. Mobile homes ,while a poor substitute for bricks and mortar, are greatly superior to cramped hotel accommodation,where the people have no right to cook their own food . But the problem comes down to lack of mains sewage. Electric incineration toilets would protect public health ,
The house and garden approach to housing has been doomed for many years. Look at the housing in the Netherlands, Germany, Austria, Switzerland - energy positive, well thought out collective housing with private spaces and spaces to grow vegetables (together as a community), that is the way forward for population dense countries.

I am not quite energy positive (I could easily be but it is forbidden by the regulations where I live) but my energy company tells me I use 20% of the energy used by comparable homes (number of people, surface,...). Sound proofing could be better. The forced ventilation system has a problem because I shouldn't smell weed smoke in my bathroom... I really need a shed (it's a kiwi thing...), I will start looking for a garage to rent in the vicinity next year. Other than that collective living isn't too bad, I am quite happy with my housing at the moment.
 
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Did you hear about the Dutch elections last week? No. That's funny, nor did I. Even a Google search shows almost zero newspaper headlines. No video clips from CNN or the BBC. Was there anything on our news? Why is that? Could it because the anti-immigration, anti-globalisation, anti-EU, nationalistic party won? You would have thought that an event like that would be all over the news. It"s a revellation. The party that won didn't even exist until a couple of years ago.

Spain elections are next month, where the same is expected to happen. I'm now thinking that a general election will sort out our mess. No wonder the present politicians don't want it. Can you imagine Gerard Batten as PM, Tommy Robinson as Minister of Defence and Nigel Farage as Home Secretary? It could well happen. Lok on the bright side. I'm pretty sure that the BBC TV licence tax would be their first target, so you'd at least be £154.50 pa better off.
Red flag! The elections are going to be held between the 23rd and 26th of May.

Nice that you have the result already though!

Ah provincial elections! The center right won. The euro sceptics won 15% of the seats, what a victory!
 
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OK so where are the answers to the questions then? I think hell will freeze over before you ever meet a challenge head on, that isn't your style...

Thank you for your reply. I look forward to helping you in the future.
 

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This is the EU, our closest neighbour, imagine how we are going to perform against some of the hard-nosed nations when it comes to trade and international relations. It doesn’t bear thinking about!

I keep saying it, but we really do need to bin this Brexit fiasco.
Absolutely, the world has changed a lot even since 2016. We need to be part of the EU to be able to stand up to the likes of Putin, Xi Jinping and Trump. On our own we will be taken to the cleaners. May has been awful but if people think Boris would do a better job, then just look how hopeless he was as Foreign Secretary.
 

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Did you hear about the Dutch elections a couple of weeks ago? No. That's funny, nor did I. Even a Google search shows almost zero newspaper headlines. No video clips from CNN nor the BBC. Was there anything on our news? Why is that? Could it because the anti-immigration, anti-globalisation, anti-EU, nationalistic party won? You would have thought that an event like that would be all over the news. It's a revellation. The party that won didn't even exist until a couple of years ago. Now tell me that the mainstream media aren't biased.

Spain elections are next month, where the same is expected to happen. I'm now thinking that a general election will sort out our mess. No wonder the present politicians don't want it. Can you imagine Gerard Batten as PM, Tommy Robinson as Minister of Defence and Nigel Farage as Home Secretary? It could well happen. Look on the bright side. I'm pretty sure that the BBC TV licence tax would be their first target, so you'd at least be £154.50 pa better off.
Yes the Green party doubled their representatives,and voting was up by 10%. Sounds like a good result.
 
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Red flag! The elections are going to be held between the 23rd and 26th of May.

Nice that you have the result already though!

Ah provincial elections! The center right won. The euro sceptics won 15% of the seats, what a victory!
Do you vote anywhere kiwi? Just wondering...
 

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Did you hear about the Dutch elections a couple of weeks ago? No. That's funny, nor did I. Even a Google search shows almost zero newspaper headlines. No video clips from CNN nor the BBC. Was there anything on our news?
I did know about some of this, having been informed by the BBC. However that was mainly via BBC Radio 4 news programs.

I suspect it may also have been reported on the BBC TV News Channel where lesser international events are often reported. And Belgium is very much a lesser country with only one sixth of our population and mainly famed for being a part time home of the EU, for chocolates and for Jean-Claude Van Damme.
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Did you hear about the Dutch elections a couple of weeks ago? No. That's funny, nor did I. Even a Google search shows almost zero newspaper headlines. No video clips from CNN nor the BBC. Was there anything on our news? Why is that? Could it because the anti-immigration, anti-globalisation, anti-EU, nationalistic party won? You would have thought that an event like that would be all over the news. It's a revellation. The party that won didn't even exist until a couple of years ago. Now tell me that the mainstream media aren't biased.

Spain elections are next month, where the same is expected to happen. I'm now thinking that a general election will sort out our mess. No wonder the present politicians don't want it. Can you imagine Gerard Batten as PM, Tommy Robinson as Minister of Defence and Nigel Farage as Home Secretary? It could well happen. Look on the bright side. I'm pretty sure that the BBC TV licence tax would be their first target, so you'd at least be £154.50 pa better off.
Not at all,they have never been reported before have they? Full marks for putting a spin on it though, it simply isn't considered newswarthy enough to be reported.
Not important any way it's it?
 
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