Directgov advice about "off road" buttons

Alex728

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In London there's a lot of bobbies whp are keen cyclists and a lot of them ride a bike round their beat, I expect they can see the difference.
I haven't cycled in that area for years but wouldn't keeping up a constant speed of 18/19mph in some areas during busy times on any sort of bike require a potentially more aggressive form of riding which could attract their attention anyway? I found in Reading when I rode a fast tourer that 18-20mph was only feasible in quieter parts and even in East Anglia I have to slow down in town....

I believe that if a copper thinks a motor vehicle has been tampered with to make it illegal they can get it tested or at least issue a rectification notice that has to be stamped by a garage to say the vehicle is road legal, some may call it summary justice for minor offences.
The cops and VOSA regularly do this sort of thing on the A12/A14 round here and also swoops on the "gary boys" you get in car parks..
 
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Alex728

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And so if I was the hypothetical civil servant doing some stuff on E-Bikes I would probably google e-bike and oh oh what do we have here then - pedelecs and a debate on off-road buttons. Dig not much deeper and there's a thread on cog sizes and Kalkhoffs, or 175RPM Tongxin V 190RPM or 240.
Assuming they can actually get to this forum and it isn't blocked out by the "blunt instrument" web filters used in Government offices!

Contrary to popular misconception Civil Servants actually have a fairly high workload and there is little benefit in them doing this and making extra work for themselves - more commonly the "concerned citizen" has already provided them with a detailed dossier on their opponents which they have been compiling in their own time for months :eek:
 

flecc

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I do actually wonder if Whitehall is actually "thinking ahead" to the point where the 500/1000W models become popular or the authorities are starting to take an interest in the kits?
The general stance of government and the civil service is pro cycling in all it's forms and they go out of their way to avoid or prevent anything that harms any cycling interests.

The proof is their instant crushing of any attempt at helmet wearing compulsion, even a parliamentary attempt to make it compulsory for children was instantly blocked. In a "nanny state" like ours, that's a very clear indication that attacks on the interests of the e-biking community are very unlikely to be supported. As long as our behaviour is reasonable, any slightly loose interpretation of the e-bike laws is unlikely to result in official action.
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Straylight

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Indeed, and what with the limiting factor of cost,are 'the kids' really going to start mowing down old ladies on fast e-bikes?

Even a kit is expensive, once you take a decent battery into account. When the builder has taken all the time and care to assemble it, I think they're rather unlikely to take too many risks with what has naturally become their pride and joy.

There's also the reality check of enforcement, if a recent motorway journey was anything to go by, there's plenty of motorists who view the speed limits as something of a guideline to be ignored, and there must be a reason why they feel they can assume this attitude.
 
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Alex728

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Indeed, and what with the limiting factor of cost,are 'the kids' really going to start mowing down old ladies on fast e-bikes?

Even a kit is expensive, once you take a decent battery into account. When the builder has taken all the time and care to assemble it, I think they're rather unlikely to take too many risks with what has naturally become their pride and joy.
I agree with this in the present time and with the current demographics of e-bikers. at the moment, people in their 30s and 40s are "the kids" :D and as I said most of us have grown up "enough" to know how to get away with certain things in a safer fashion.. ;)

IMO its not skint teenagers who are the real risk anyway but the 20 somethings in semi-skilled occupations, who often have a fair bit of disposable income despite recessions and who are much more more risk taking.

I know plenty of lads on the modified car scene or who own motorbikes who have taken risks with their "pride and joy" and had expensive prangs/hurt themselves and others, those who survive treat it as a rite of passage and if they haven't broken themselves too badly still find the cash to replace their vehicles.

When me and my mates were putting on unlicensed raves back in SE England in the day we had better disabled access and support than many church halls run by do-gooders as there was always a fair few 20-something lads in wheelchairs who had lost their legs in a car or bike RTC but still went raving... even some of the cops were both shocked and slightly impressed by how stubborn/determined people could be.

At the moment e-bikes aren't yet "cool" enough for many in this age group (same goes for normal pushbikes) but I eventually see things changing, probably coinciding with the time that faster/more powerful models become affordable, and with a Tory government in power less likely to stand for "any two-wheeled tomfoolery on the streets..."
 
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Tim

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So it's 50Cycles fault then?
Imagine a world where we have better things to do than torpedo the electric bike industry. Well, that's the world we live in.
 
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Mussels

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Excuse me, what are you implying here?!?! We have better things to do than torpedo the electric bike industry.
People seem to have taken my question more seriously than I expected, I didn't intend to start a rumour but it appears I may have. It was a question and not intended to sound like a statement and the only reason you sprang to mind is because you don't use offroad buttons.
 

themutiny

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I was stopped by the police the other night, at about 11pm. Bearing in mind that I was riding an "off road " torq 1, with a 10 w halide front light and hacking it at about 24 mph on the flat with two pannier bags, it would have been pretty apparent that it was not a normal bike to all but an idiot. It would have been equally apparent that I had consumed alcohol (although not drunk). simply by smelling my breath. The copper in question simply asked me my name and address ( no doubt in order to ascertain my relative sobriety), and warned me that the road I was cycling on was very hazardous for cyclists (which was stating the bleeding obvious) and asked me if I could take an alternative route. When I explained where I was headed and that I simply had no other choice, he waved me on with no remonstration of any kind. I am pretty sure he was aware it was an e-bike,but he simply wasn't interested. Had I failed the name and address test and appeared excessively inebriated I believe I would have been made to get off and push which would not have been fun 15 miles from home!
 

jerrysimon

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That little account made me smile :)

Regards

Jerry
 

eddieo

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People seem to have taken my question more seriously than I expected, I didn't intend to start a rumour but it appears I may have. It was a question and not intended to sound like a statement and the only reason you sprang to mind is because you don't use offroad buttons.
Mmmm.......No smoke without fire perhaps:D