eBike conversion kit help

Swytch Bike

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Dear all,

Firstly - please note that our price on the double speed Xiongda kit, bought directly from our website is £250 for either the 36V or 48V version, this includes next day delivery. We also have double speed hub motor kits (not built into a wheel) for £225.

The wheel is built with a Xitang double walled rim and 13g spokes. The double speed hub motor is the v-brake style motor (not compatible with disc brakes) and the dropout widths on these are the standard 100mm and 135mm (as advertised on our technical details section of the product page). This is unlike the disc brake style hub motor which d8veh is talking about which have wider dropout widths and are not suitable for those looking for a straightforward conversion.
The sacrifice of the disc brake functionality we think is necessary to make this kit accessible and easy to fit. Rebuilding the wheel is rarely necessary and in most cases you just need to slot it into your dropouts like a normal hub motor kit.

We have spare controllers and LCD displays in stock for after sale service, and we offer next day delivery on our items. Because Xiongda don't yet have an instruction manual available, we also now have a YouTube video demonstrating how to fit the kit - no single step requires any specialist technical know-how. Even removing the pedal crank is A) actually easy with the right tool (shown in the video) and B) can be avoided if you purchase a throttle and run without PAS.

 
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ps4customgamer

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I think the Xiongda looks crap the wiring is messy and the connectors aren't even semi water proof. Some of the main connectors use old fashioned bullet connectors which always fail. Even in your product video you used a large frame bag to store the esc which is far too big for it and ruins the look of the bike.

Don't buy Xiongda guys!
 

Swytch Bike

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I think the Xiongda looks crap the wiring is messy and the connectors aren't even semi water proof. Some of the main connectors use old fashioned bullet connectors which always fail. Even in your product video you used a large frame bag to store the esc which is far too big for it and ruins the look of the bike.

Don't buy Xiongda guys!
The Xiongda kit looks fine, and it has some great functionality with the 2 gearing modes and LCD screen. What the kit does is more important I think than exactly how it looks.
Bullet connectors are also fine - just press them in tightly and make sure they are contained in something waterproof (not outside on the bike).

If you're worried about how tidy the wires are and whether the controller bag "ruins" the look of the bike then you might consider going for full eBike, with the controller hidden away in the design of the bike and perhaps one with a battery that fits inside the frame...
 

ps4customgamer

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Your selling the kit so I doubt you're thinking about anything but your bottom line, not interested in cyclists getting the best conversion kit.

I wouldnt recommend the Xiongda to friends much better to save a little more and buy a quality kit like a bafang. If youre really pushed much better to go for a lower price kit from vpower_ebike or germanladen.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/311333640105
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181237508447

Bullet connectors are awful its mainly the car industry and RC community that use bullet connectors and they have moved beyond the style of connectors used in the Xiongda years ago. The style of connectors used in the Xiongda are usually cut off and soldered as they tend to fall apart.

Nobody wants a factory ebike unless theyre loaded! Those are usually made as town runabouts and for the over 50s who usually only spend £200 on their bikes.
 

Swytch Bike

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Of course, there is a range of kits you can go for. The Bafang kits are great, and german laden / vpower_ebike are OK if you want to go low end.

We sell lower end kits too... but we recommend Xiongda when someone has a bit more money and wants something a bit fancier, or needs a kit specifically for hill-climbing.

We're not all about the bottom line you know - bringing the Xiongda kits to the UK was largely as a result of the interest that we saw on these forums that wasn't being fulfilled by a local seller with after sales service...
 

Alan Quay

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Your selling the kit so I doubt you're thinking about anything but your bottom line, not interested in cyclists getting the best conversion kit.

I wouldnt recommend the Xiongda to friends much better to save a little more and buy a quality kit like a bafang. If youre really pushed much better to go for a lower price kit from vpower_ebike or germanladen.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/311333640105
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181237508447

Bullet connectors are awful its mainly the car industry and RC community that use bullet connectors and they have moved beyond the style of connectors used in the Xiongda years ago. The style of connectors used in the Xiongda are usually cut off and soldered as they tend to fall apart.

Nobody wants a factory ebike unless theyre loaded! Those are usually made as town runabouts and for the over 50s who usually only spend £200 on their bikes.
Where to start.....

1. Until about 5 minutes ago you were unaware how AWG worked. Now you are giving advice about electrical connectors?

2. The motors you have linked to seem to be direct drive hub motors. These are not comparable with geared hub motors. They are not 'better'.

3. While I have never used Panda, they seem like reasonable guys. You on the other hand continue to be rude to someone who is being very patient.
 

ps4customgamer

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Panda your kits are low end which seems fine for some of the market and the wiring is messy which is one of the reasons I have called the Xiongdas crap earlier in the thread. Half the discussion on this thread has been me saying why I think the Xiongda kits are crap yet your still hard faced enough to advertise here.

Mike Higgins
  1. Not 5 minutes ago and I only got the wire sizes wrong as the AWG system numbers wire size to the opposite of their size. Also Im not american and havent spent time memorizing wire sizes. Just because I'm new to pedelecs.co.uk doesnt mean I'm not knowledgable about electrical connectors or that I'm not use to dealing with electrical wiring.
  2. The kits I recommended are better priced than the Xiongda kits and more for a cyclist who doesnt want to spend all their money on a system that will most likely fail due to bad wiring. The average user of a pedelec is over 50 and that age group usually spends £200 so the kits I recommended are therefore better.
  3. Panda are advertising on a thread where about half the 'discussion' has been why their Xiongda kits are awful. For all I know your a panda employee posting under a different name.
 
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Swytch Bike

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A lot of other pedelecers have been liking the Xiongda kit on this thread... we only replied because of the large number of people referencing us and talking about our prices. It would have been rude not to join in the discussion - I wouldn't call it "hard faced advertising".
 

Alan Quay

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.....Just because I'm new to pedelecs.co.uk doesnt mean I'm not knowledgable about electrical connectors or that I'm not use to dealing with electrical wiring.
True, but not knowing how AWG works, as well as other things you have said makes it obvious that you have very little experience in real world electrical or electronic engineering, and as such your repeated assertions of equipment being 'crap', 'bad' and 'awful' are invalidated.
 

ps4customgamer

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I would and have just called it "hard faced advertising".
You didnt join the discussion you posted an advertisement with a product video not a reply to earlier posts which advertised the Xiongda kits for you.

As you've probably read the Xiongda kit is not suitable for my bike, the bafang kit is.The best price is here.
What I didnt mention is that I can fit this kit to my full suspension 26" full suspension mountain bike, my 26" speed hardtail speed bike as well as my hardtail 29er to do this with a bafang hub motor kit would be incredibly hard and would require 2 different sizes of wheels with hub motors. My bikes are also 9 speeds and it seems to be unstated what the Xiongda wheels will fit onto.


Mike Higgins I have plenty of real world experience in electronics and should never have to use long winded terms like electronic engineering on a thread talking about bolt on electrical conversion kits.
The AWG system is simply a wire gauge numbering system and due to the relation between the order of numbering and size its very easy to get confused about sizes of wires like I did when I got my wires crossed.
 

JohnCade

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I would and have just called it "hard faced advertising".
You didnt join the discussion you posted an advertisement with a product video not a reply to earlier posts which advertised the Xiongda kits for you.

As you've probably read the Xiongda kit is not suitable for my bike, the bafang kit is.The best price is here.
What I didnt mention is that I can fit this kit to my full suspension 26" full suspension mountain bike, my 26" speed hardtail speed bike as well as my hardtail 29er to do this with a bafang hub motor kit would be incredibly hard and would require 2 different sizes of wheels with hub motors. My bikes are also 9 speeds and it seems to be unstated what the Xiongda wheels will fit onto.


Mike Higgins I have plenty of real world experience in electronics and should never have to use long winded terms like electronic engineering on a thread talking about bolt on electrical conversion kits.
The AWG system is simply a wire gauge numbering system and due to the relation between the order of numbering and size its very easy to get confused about sizes of wires like I did when I got my wires crossed.
Have you ever heard of Dale Carnegie? He wrote a famous book in the thirties which you should read.
 
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ps4customgamer

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Johncade you are simply back to troll this thread as you have already done.
You simply arent here to contribute to the discussion of electric bike conversion kits.
 

Nealh

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PS4 been on the forum 5 minutes and talking b*****ks again, then again he is allowed his opinion and have his say.
Well done to Panda for selling the Xiongda 2 speed kit not only have they been highly rated on here but all so over on ES .
Other members and new users to this forum would use the search area to get a general overview of recommendations and favourable opinions and at the same time venture over to ES where there is a large community on line, however their forum is vast.
 
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jonathan75

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Your selling the kit so I doubt you're thinking about anything but your bottom line, not interested in cyclists getting the best conversion kit.

I wouldnt recommend the Xiongda to friends much better to save a little more and buy a quality kit like a bafang. If youre really pushed much better to go for a lower price kit from vpower_ebike or germanladen.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/311333640105
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181237508447

Bullet connectors are awful its mainly the car industry and RC community that use bullet connectors and they have moved beyond the style of connectors used in the Xiongda years ago. The style of connectors used in the Xiongda are usually cut off and soldered as they tend to fall apart.

Nobody wants a factory ebike unless theyre loaded! Those are usually made as town runabouts and for the over 50s who usually only spend £200 on their bikes.
What are you talking about? Bafang have no UK legal product which is competitive with the Xiongda two speed at less than 4.8kg or so for the CST - which is pricey, rare, and unavailable in front drive.

Bafang kits are usually sold from Chinese sites without so-called 'waterproof harnesses' which AFAIK have no actual waterproofing features over a supposed non-waterproof setup, as both terminate inside the controller case in precisely the same way. Indeed as the harness features an interim termination outside the controller case, it is arguably less waterproof.

As for this nonsense about bafang not doing bullet connectors, I'm building a new bafang swxk kit and BAFANG FITTED IT WITH BULLET CONNECTORS.

As for the cosmetics - the only remaining argument - being a reason for you to say "don't buy XiongDa" that all depends on how well you build your kit project bike. I really think in any case you've gone way too far, over nothing, and spouting untruths which are capable of damaging someone's business which has had time and savings invested in it. You truly appear to be empathy deficient, naive, and massively verbally incontinent, in addition to being quite willing to actually lie to damage someone else's business, and I think you should be banned.
 
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Nealh

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I have a Bafang BPM kit which I haven't yet fitted and it is like most kits with messy wiring non of it waterproof but it is designed to be fitted with in an enclosure of one sort whether hard or soft for weather proofing.
The plug and play kit PS4 talks about is the BBS these are nice and neat and pretty well idiot proof so any one can fit them quite easily, no wheel building,trueing or dishing needed.
I have a small annual bonus due soon from my job and it is about the amount the 2 speed Xiongda will cost so eventually it may end up going Panda's way :rolleyes:.
 
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ps4customgamer

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This thread was started to find a suitable electric conversion kit for my bike and Xiongda was almost immediately ruled out as not being suitable.

My issues with the wiring mess on that kit is simply disliked by some users on here who I assume are plagued with that or worse wiring.

The bafang swxk kit is a budget kit and uses bullets so that it can work with different controllers. The BBS02 has much more integrated wiring but uses a couple of newer style of bullet connector than the cheaper chinese kits which seem to use cheap automotive ones.
Although during posting on this thread I have ended talking about bullet connectors my issue is more with using low quality plastic connectors which arent suited for ebikes. the connectors on an ebike should at least have some sort of seal like on the bafang BBS02.

I've added a photo with a similar controller to the Xiongda which has 10 different connectors as oppose to 7 on the Xiongda. This is a good example of a bad kit for an average user as it uses bulky connectors which are usually used in a sealed car with the windows up and arent ever meant to be used by an end user. Also bespoke wiring would simplify this setup alot. Wires 1,3,4 7 all go to the handlebars on any standard bike and simply combining these into one cable would make wire management much simpler.
btw average age group on this thread/forum?

also having a look at other bafang kits some seem to use modern cassettes instead of freewheels which is a plus.
 

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ps4customgamer

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You truly appear to be empathy deficient, naive, and massively verbally incontinent, in addition to being quite willing to actually lie to damage someone else's business, and I think you should be banned.
jonathan75 you arent contributing to this thread only trying to troll me.

How dare you say I'm lying. My opinions are my own and at every point I've done my best to explain any reasoning behind my comments.
 
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JohnCade

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jonathan75 you arent contributing to this thread only trying to troll me.

How dare you say I'm lying. My opinions are my own and at every point I've done my best to explain any reasoning behind my comments.
The only troll here is you.

First you ask for opinions and then within five minutes you’re telling people here that their products are crap. You know SFA about anything, but that isn’t going to stop you because you have a massive sense of your own worth matched only by the size of your head.

You should go away as quickly as you came before you make yourself more of a laughing stock than you already have.