Woosh

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Still ...by the time you MoT it road insure and tax it, buy it............and pedal and rest if needs be (as above), I really can't see the point in electric bikes.
Mopeds are exactly the same even down to pedalling them BUT they have a range of hundreds of miles and are much faster if needed. Most importantly they are much cheaper 2nd hand too.
why do you have to MoT it and insure it? You can fill in an SVA form, pay £55 fees, no need for MoT, insurance.
The only requirement is to have a legal bike before adding a throttle.
 

flecc

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Still ...by the time you MoT it road insure and tax it, buy it............and pedal and rest if needs be (as above), I really can't see the point in electric bikes.
Pedelecs don't have to be MOT'd, there's no VED (road tax) and no insurance necessary. That's a lot of difference from mopeds.

For most the point of electric bikes is being able to cycle or continue cycling, getting as much exercise as they need while getting help with hills and strong headwinds. Some like me have also used them to help with hauling large trailer loads:

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Post crossed with Woosh's post.
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zoros

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I'm confused now:
Posts 13 and 17 talk about MoT's?? Is this not the case, then>?
Post 62 - I was under the impression that these (throttle EBikes, for want of a better description), are popular because you don't need to cycle??? So what are you saying?
 

Benjahmin

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My conversion has a throttle, I rarely use it, but the option is there. Where I do use it is for hill starts, to cover that second or two before the pas kicks in. The other circumstance is for a fast get away from a busy junction, not often here 'cos I live in the country. The third is if I've stopped in the wrong gear - that's the advantage of having a hub motor.
You're making the assumption that folk only want a throttle so they don't have to peddle, this is not the case. There are those, with lung capacity issues or stamina problems etc. , who can use the throttle and not peddle.

As to legality - any bike manufactured before Jan 1st 2016 can have a full acting throttle in the UK.
There is no prohibition on throttles on kits (in the UK), this is because the legielation omits to mention them. So, any self converted bike can have a throttle. Any manufactured bike cannot be supplied with a throttle fitted but the rider can fit one themselves as this technically turns it into a self made bike.
Messy ain't it? This is what happens when politicians get involved in something they have no practical experience of.

As far as I can see the OP had to go through the type approval procedure because they are a manufacturer. I don't know what that means that the item for sale is actually classed as.
Who knows? Who gives a ****? I just want to ride my bike, in peace, with a bit of help for my ageing carcass.
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flecc

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I'm confused now:
Posts 13 and 17 talk about MoT's?? Is this not the case, then>?
The MoT mentioned in those posts refer to the Ministry of Transport inspection centre to get the type approval, not an MOT test. Annual MOT tests only apply to motor vehicles, pedelecs are classified as bicycles.

Post 62 - I was under the impression that these (throttle EBikes, for want of a better description), are popular because you don't need to cycle??? So what are you saying?
That's just one of many reasons, the others are as we've given.
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flecc

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Let's remind ourselves that all the legal kits can have throttle.
There is no prohibition on throttles on kits (in the UK), this is because the legielation omits to mention them. So, any self converted bike can have a throttle. Any manufactured bike cannot be supplied with a throttle fitted but the rider can fit one themselves as this technically turns it into a self made bike.
I've never agreed with these interpretations, this is what the DfT have published on the subject in their Information Sheet on EAPCs:

"However, under European law new "Twist and Go" vehicles will, from January 2016, have to meet a range of technical requirements before they can be used on roads. This will normally be established by "type approval" at the manufacturing stage but importers and individuals will be able to seek an individual approval for vehicles that have not been type approved."

The last sentence makes the position clear that there is no exemption for new kits or new conversions created after 31st December 2015. They need the individual SVA as well to be used on the roads.
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shemozzle999

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Hi David, Good news and well done, perhaps they could be now be included by the government as part of the mobility allowance scheme as they are now classified as motor vehicles and the extra purchasing charge be able to be recovered by disadvantaged users under the scheme.
 
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flecc

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Hi David, Good news and well done, perhaps they could be now be included by the government as part of the mobility allowance scheme as they are now classified as motor vehicles and the extra purchasing charge be able to be recovered by disadvantaged users under the scheme.
Good idea.
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flecc

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It's all down to the money.
£55 buys you the right to a throttle -
so does £110 buy the right to a throttle and 500W and £165 to a throttle, 500W and 20+mph?
Unfortunately no.

The £55 SVA throttle is only for Great Britain, but the other items are for the S class pedelecs which we can't have in Great Britain. They only exist in three EU countries and Switzerland and they can't have throttles.
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