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lenny

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Dorchester Police officers seize e-bike near Charminster
"A spokesperson for Dorchester Police said: "Officers stopped this adapted e-bike. It was found to have insufficient lighting and had two males on it, both with no helmets.
"It was seized and the rider was reported for a number of traffic offences, including riding with no insurance and for being otherwise in accordance with their driving licence."
The spokesperson added: "It appears that the bike has been adapted which means it is now classed as a motorcycle or moped. It will now be checked by our vehicle examiners. "
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Adapted e-bike 'classed as a moped' seized by police after rider pulled over at night

POLICE seized an adapted electric bike after coming across two people riding on it at night not wearing helmets. It comes amid complaints of…
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Here is what is wrong with this policy.

People support action against nuisance and dangerous riding of bikes or e-bikes.

I support that too.

But what is the focus on here? It looks like it is all about legalistic nonsense about bikes having the correct labels. That policeman probably has no clue about what 250 watts of continuous power means. That said - in this case, although the photo isn't that clear, I can't actually see any pedals on that bike, so that would clearly not be legal. A lot of these PR pieces emphasising the responsive nature of policing have been about not having correct labels on the bikes which is entirely irrelevant to nuisance riding in pedestrian areas and speeding on electric motor bikes.
 
guerney

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Is that a pedal reflector I see before me? Engwe T14? Shouldn't have parked on that copper's shoes.

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Dual suspension. Riding over shoes could easily go unnoticed.


Could be these shoes? No toe protection.

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lenny

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"They're technically motorcycles": Police continue crackdown on illegal 'e-bikes' causing "persistent" issues in city centres
"Police in Leicester seize almost 200 vehicles, while Suffolk Police promises "zero tolerance" approach to bikes that don't meet legal e-bike standards..."

 
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They did that owner a favour. It looks like an incendiary device to me.

Maybe it is a part of a Russian saboteur kit - ride it into a city centre and set something on fire.
 
Nealh

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One suspetcs the bodge of tape hides the 30/40a controller and wiring , a lack of imagination that would automatically draw attention to it and little chance of any heat to dissipate. The rear dinner plate also doesn't help.
Battery is likely the biggest risk though neatly fitted it is likely to be a possible UPP fire bomb.
 
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Phone thieves’ e-bikes to be crushed hours after they are caught
Police to be handed new powers as number of snatch thefts rises to highest level since 2003

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Phone thieves’ e-bikes to be crushed hours after they are caught

Police to be handed new powers as number of snatch thefts rises to highest level since 2003
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Looks like the Police is more and more after cyclists... good when the criminals are going and anti social behaviour is stopped, but the Police neglect complete the other crime like Burglary or Car theft or even Bike theft....
 
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lenny said:
Police to crush vehicles used antisocially in 48 hours
Consultation launched on fast-tracking disposal of vehicles seized for antisocial behaviour.
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Police to crush vehicles used antisocially in 48 hours

Consultation launched on fast-tracking disposal of vehicles seized for antisocial behaviour.
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Crushing a vehicle within 48 hours would seem to indicate it being done before any court case. Does this not turn the police into judge and jury? Guilt being decided at the roadside does create a moral hazard it would seem.
Whilst not condoning the behaviours this move is aimed at, I am concerned that it points to a blurring of police authority as officers of the peace. It is not, nor should it be, their role to decide guilt. If you are arrested it is always, 'on suspicion of........', in other words not proven until magistrates or judges say so.
I find this a disturbing direction, perhaps Flecc will have something to say on the matter.
 
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This refers to all vehicles. My understanding is that if for example a car is seized as the driver has no insurance and no one with valid documents claims the vehicle within 14 days then it is disposed of.

I suppose the way around this is that ownership is quickly transferred. New owner turns up with valid licence and insurance. Car is released and then goes back in the criminality pool.

The proposal is that the 14 days is cut to 48 hours so there is not enough time for this to occur.


I have no idea how the current system works with a ebikes seizures and what you would have to prove should the police have made a mistake. Maybe someone with more knowledge could comment.
 
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Benjahmin said:
Crushing a vehicle within 48 hours would seem to indicate it being done before any court case. Does this not turn the police into judge and jury? Guilt being decided at the roadside does create a moral hazard it would seem.
Whilst not condoning the behaviours this move is aimed at, I am concerned that it points to a blurring of police authority as officers of the peace. It is not, nor should it be, their role to decide guilt. If you are arrested it is always, 'on suspicion of........', in other words not proven until magistrates or judges say so.
I find this a disturbing direction, perhaps Flecc will have something to say on the matter.
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It is disturbing and part of a continuing trend to assume guilt in certain types of cases, started by Keir Starmer during his five years tenure as DPP from 2008 to 2013.

But at the moment it is only a consultation and coud be just a threat to try and achieve a desired result without further action.

And of course with e-scooters there is no legal problem when a privately owned one is seen in use in a public area. That can only be illegal.
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