More Seizures

[lenny]

Police seize suspected stolen bikes and weapons as a Croxteth teenager is arrested
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/police-seize-suspected-stolen-bikes-and-weapons-as-a-croxteth-teenager-is-arrested/ar-AA1HALVJ

 

[lenny]

Swindon teenager caught with machete down his trousers

E-biker sped through town centre with machete down his trousers

A teenage drug dealer was caught speeding through Swindon on an e-bike with a machete down his trousers.

www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk

 

[Baz the balloon man]

Bodge it and Scarper (BS Bikes) are the manufacturer. For example a Winchester bicycle shop started creating assisted bikes using a Chinese front hub motor with a custom controller and battery pack typically fitted to Cannondale road bike models, marketed under the Cytronex brand over several years.



No, Halfords are no longer the manufacturer, but since the specification is to legal standards, it is privately created kit EAPC



Only a grey area in the sense that all kit bikes are unless submitted to a testing station to validate their status.
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Ok so if a bike does not have a single manufacturer but is displaying all the correct power and speed cut off information and is fully road legal as to its specifications then the Police are in the wrong to just say this is a modified bike then attempt to seize it .
Because that what they are actually doing according to some of the delivery boys I have spoken too .

So they are sort of going a round about way to make kits bikes or privately created EPACS illegal when they are not.

 

[flecc]

Ok so if a bike does not have a single manufacturer but is displaying all the correct power and speed cut off information and is fully road legal as to its specifications then the Police are in the wrong to just say this is a modified bike then attempt to seize it .
Because that what they are actually doing according to some of the delivery boys I have spoken too .

So they are sort of going a round about way to make kits bikes or privately created EPACS illegal when they are not.

I think it's more a case of the blind leading the blind.

Given all the complexities of the law, I very much doubt those delivery boys really know what is legal or not.

And it is clear the police don't fully understand it either.

If a delivery boy is certain of his bike's legality, all he has to do is challenge the officer by demanding to be prosecuted or be told where he can collect his bike from with proof of its legality.

No police officer has the authority to indefinitely confiscate an EAPC without a magistrate's order, so until they get that order the EAPC can be claimed back.
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[Baz the balloon man]

I think it's more a case of the blind leading the blind.

Given all the complexities of the law, I very much doubt those delivery boys really know what is legal or not.

And it is clear the police don't fully understand it either.

If a delivery boy is certain of his bike's legality, all he has to do is challenge the officer by demanding to be prosecuted or be told where he can collect his bike from with proof of its legality.

No police officer has the authority to indefinitely confiscate an EAPC without a magistrate's order, so until they get that order the EAPC can be claimed back.
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Good to know

 

[Baz the balloon man]

Swindon teenager caught with machete down his trousers

E-biker sped through town centre with machete down his trousers

A teenage drug dealer was caught speeding through Swindon on an e-bike with a machete down his trousers.

www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk

I imagine this is the sort of set up causing fires if it’s wired up the way it looks .

 

[lenny]

Blackburn Police seize number of E-bikes and E-scooters

Blackburn Police seize number of E-bikes and E-scooters after spate of incidents

Blackburn Police have seized a quantity of E-Bikes and E-scooters after the issue was raised by members of the community.

www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk

 

[lenny]

Teenager arrested in Darlington after 'antisocial' riding
"Darlington Police confirmed the bike will be destroyed. "

Police chase Darlington off-road bike rider on foot and tackle him to the ground

The 16-year-old boy will appear at Newton Aycliffe Youth Court later this month.

www.thenorthernecho.co.uk

 

[lenny]

Dorset Police Crack Down On Illegal E-scooters And E-bikes

Workers prepare e-scooters as Dorset Police implement the crushing of...

Workers prepare e-scooters as Dorset Police implement the crushing of illegal e-scooters and e-bikes at Silverlake Auto Salvage Centre in Southampton, on July 02, 2025 in Southampton, England....

www.gettyimages.co.uk

 

[saneagle]

Dorset Police Crack Down On Illegal E-scooters And E-bikes

Workers prepare e-scooters as Dorset Police implement the crushing of...

Workers prepare e-scooters as Dorset Police implement the crushing of illegal e-scooters and e-bikes at Silverlake Auto Salvage Centre in Southampton, on July 02, 2025 in Southampton, England....

www.gettyimages.co.uk

When you crush a 2 ton car, you get about £200 scrap metal from it. When you scrap a 10kg scooter, you'd be lucky to get £1 of scrap metal from it, but before you can scrap it, you have to remove the battery, which is a fair amount of work in some of them, then you have to store the battery in a safe place, and finally you have to dispose of the battery, which would cost a scrap dealer more than £1. Think about all those custom converted bikes covered in gaffa tape. How do they even know where all the batteries are, and how do they know there are no small battery packs for lights and phones? Crushing those bikes would be very dangerous. I can't see anyone wanting to take that risk. My conclusion is that those pictures are just for the media to circulate for propaganda purposes. Actually, I have first hand knowledge about what happens to some of them, where there is a string of dodgy dealers laundering them back into use.

 

[lenny]

E-scooters seized in Witney amid calls for tougher laws

More e-scooters seized by police amid calls for tougher laws

Two e-scooters have been seized by police in Witney amid calls for tougher laws on them.

www.oxfordmail.co.uk

 

[lenny]

Four arrested as part of e-bike operation in Exeter

News Article - Devon & Cornwall Police

News from Devon & Cornwall Police media team

news.devon-cornwall.police.uk

 

[AntonyC]

Power assistance is allowed on bicycles for those who need it, not as a general provision to increase performance. The legislation is therefore aimed at utility cyclists
[...] To summarise, bureaucracy free pedelec law is not daft or irrational, and those who feel it is simply haven't considered all the relevant factors.

The rules do convey these aims in a 'between the lines' sort of way, and stipulating 'rated' continuous power seems not a bad way to deter drag racers while permitting cargo bikes. Kinda "Don't be an arse or outright lazy".

With the green transition adding a new reason to encourage e-/cycling, maybe we just need the govt to spell out that the rules were never meant for 'zero tolerance' application and are no longer solely to enable people who rely on assistance. The rules themselves don't have to change - we've seen how hard that can be - although you can't help but be envious of the wide variety of LEVs abroad that we couldn't hope to import.

 

[lenny]

Two dozen arrests and drugs seized in week of County Lines action

https://www.wiltshire.police.uk/news/wiltshire/news/2025/july-2025/two-dozen-arrests-and-drugs-seized-in-week-of-county-lines-action/

 

[Baz the balloon man]

When you crush a 2 ton car, you get about £200 scrap metal from it. When you scrap a 10kg scooter, you'd be lucky to get £1 of scrap metal from it, but before you can scrap it, you have to remove the battery, which is a fair amount of work in some of them, then you have to store the battery in a safe place, and finally you have to dispose of the battery, which would cost a scrap dealer more than £1. Think about all those custom converted bikes covered in gaffa tape. How do they even know where all the batteries are, and how do they know there are no small battery packs for lights and phones? Crushing those bikes would be very dangerous. I can't see anyone wanting to take that risk. My conclusion is that those pictures are just for the media to circulate for propaganda purposes. Actually, I have first hand knowledge about what happens to some of them, where there is a string of dodgy dealers laundering them back into use.

When I was a 14 year old kid , I had a leather biker jacket tassels the works and run Two rock n roll clubs in London had a metal badge of every British made motor bike on it .

This is nothing new same shite different day for those who see a way to break the law and the law is to slow to change a bit like people who want to put number plates or control on bicycles.

My late father who was a hard man a very hard man never laid a finger on me or my brother told me if I got a motor bike he would break my leg so I would not be able to ride it . ( apparently he had a few run ins with the People like the Krays) they missed when they tried to shoot him.

To his credit he taught me to drive a car at 16 because he was worried that I would get on a motorcycles at that age .

We are on the cusp in my opinion on a new type of cheap transportation that the in my opinion can change the way we move around .

Pedelecs for cyclists who obey the law and regulations and e low powered motorcycles for people who want to commute or use them for business not hi powered death traps used for crime

So with pedals or without pedals as the Chinese are well ahead of this then get on to our MPs and get this sorted out , get people out of there cars off Buses and enjoy the open road like the Speil AI on eBay described,s when sellers can not be bothered to sell some thing and describe what they are selling .

FRIDAY NIGHT I SHOULD BE IN THE PUB OH THEY ARE ALL GONE !!!!!!!!!!!!

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[Nealh]

Something though does need to be done about outlets selling ebikes greater then 250w , I was surprised yesterday to see three Suron type bikes flying around , all sounding louder then a milk float and with total disregard to their surroundings as the riders were hooning about taking risks not just with their own safety but inviting a collision. Not one wearing a helmet at over 30mph they will end up with their brains mashed on the road or a cars bonnet/window screen.

The law should insist these ebikes are pre registered /licensed before sale and only motorcycle shops can sell any moped rated more then 250w.

 

[flecc]

The rules do convey these aims in a 'between the lines' sort of way, and stipulating 'rated' continuous power seems not a bad way to deter drag racers while permitting cargo bikes. Kinda "Don't be an arse or outright lazy".

With the green transition adding a new reason to encourage e-/cycling, maybe we just need the govt to spell out that the rules were never meant for 'zero tolerance' application and are no longer solely to enable people who rely on assistance. The rules themselves don't have to change - we've seen how hard that can be - although you can't help but be envious of the wide variety of LEVs abroad that we couldn't hope to import.

In some ways I envy the clarity of the new US law on pedelecs, three classes roughly corresponding to our Eurpopean rules with all three limited to 750 watts actual power. Simple and easily understood.

Simple changes to Class 1 and 2 only would also meet our needs for adaptable utility vehicles, the 750 watt limit being replaced by a power to weight ratio limit scale, the assist speed restriction remaining at 25kph / 15.5mph.
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[guerney]

In some ways I envy the clarity of the new US law on pedelecs, three classes roughly corresponding to our Eurpopean rules with all three limited to 750 watts actual power. Simple and easily understood.

Simple changes to Class 1 and 2 only would also meet our needs for adaptable utility vehicles, the 750 watt limit being replaced by a power to weight ratio limit scale, the assist speed restriction remaining at 25kph / 15.5mph.
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Aren't dudes on Endless Sphere legally running their Bafang rated 750W BBS02 mi-motors at 30A or more? That's 1440W at 48V, with some at 52V thanks to open source firmware.

 

[saneagle]

Aren't dudes on Endless Sphere legally running their Bafang rated 750W BBS02 mi-motors at 30A or more? That's 1440W at 48V, with some at 52V thanks to open source firmware.

You seem to have forgotton the difference between input and output power!

Unfortunately, Flecc's not quite right when he says 750w actual power is simple because it's actually quite difficult to check. You'd need a calibrated dynamometer and controlled external conditions. He's right that it's simple to understand, but it's complicated to determine what it is.

 

[Nealh]

Aren't dudes on Endless Sphere legally running their Bafang rated 750W BBS02 mi-motors at 30A or more? That's 1440W at 48V, with some at 52V thanks to open source firmware.

One could run a 250w hub at 35/40a and it would be legal, change the nylon gears for metal ones and use cooling to keep it sweet. one could have 1400w output form the battery @36v or 1900w @48v.
A bespoke batteyr with top notch cells needed though.