Not from London

[bigroy]

Just wanted to say,sir Chris Hoy 6 golds yehhhh!! thats all thank you

 

[hech]

The guy is 35 years old and they gave him a knighthood. What on earth for, riding a bike? I guess our glorious leader Alec Salmond will have to make him second in command now or at the very least minister for transport.

 

[flecc]

Yes, he's a great track rider, and by all accounts a very nice unassuming person too, Scotland can feel very proud of him.

We're still doing brilliantly with London athletes too though. 43% of the medals and 35% of the golds won by London's 13% of the national population is pretty remarkable.

 

[dianefairhall]

But London's still behind Yorkshire.

 

[flecc]

But London's still behind Yorkshire.

I think that's impossible. Yorkshire athletes are unlikely to have won more than 43% of the medals and 35% of the golds. That would leave the whole of the rest of the UK winning only 16% of the medals and 30% of the golds. I think the Scots alone would have something to say about that!

I think you may mean in relation to population size, but I still doubt that, the whole of Yorkshire's population being around three quarters that of London. To do better that would mean over 33% of the medals and over 27% of the golds. Even Alastair and Jonathon Brownlee are not that good!
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[hech]

maybe not but what about Alf Tupper, the 'tough of the track', Yorkshires finest who if still running would surely have seen of Bolt, Clare Balding and the rest thro sheer grit and determination alone!

 

[flecc]

You can dream!

Back in the real world, Yorkshire lass Nicola Adams has just won Gold in her boxing match, so Yorkshire's score is still increasing. No proportional change though, since the gee-gee riders Dressage has just gained a Gold and Bronze.

 

[hech]

Speaking from the real world, we here in Scotland are a race of natural built athletes and look on with some bemusement at the armchair olympic hysteria which has intoxicated our sedentary southern compatriots. If our own man Eric Liddel were still around he would undoubtably have made a clean sweep of the dressage event on his trusty steed Black Beauty to the tune of our national anthem Chariots of Fire.

 

[Scimitar]

maybe not but what about Alf Tupper, the 'tough of the track', Yorkshires finest who if still running would surely have seen of Bolt, Clare Balding and the rest thro sheer grit and determination alone!

Alf Tupper was still running and refused selection because he couldn't stand the posh folk in "that London".
Besides, there's no chippies in London that rival Alf's in Barnsley.

 

[GaRRy]

I think that's impossible. Yorkshire athletes are unlikely to have won more than 43% of the medals and 35% of the golds. That would leave the whole of the rest of the UK winning only 16% of the medals and 30% of the golds. I think the Scots alone would have something to say about that!

I think you may mean in relation to population size, but I still doubt that, the whole of Yorkshire's population being around three quarters that of London. To do better that would mean over 33% of the medals and over 27% of the golds. Even Alastair and Jonathon Brownlee are not that good!
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Where/ how are you getting your figures from ?

in Metro earlier this week it stated that a independant London would be 11th in table and a independant yorkshire would also be 11th so they cant be that different and that would mean 70% of golds had been won by two areas of country something I find hard to believe.

 

[flecc]

Here's the facts Garry, the last set from BBC online last night at 00.24 am, and they are accurate since I've been totting medals up as they've been won:

Team GB have won 52 medals, 25 golds, 13 silver, 14 bronze. (100% of course)

London athletes have won 42% of the medals (22 medals, being 9 golds, 13 silver and bronze)

Yorkshire athletes have won 19% of the medals (10 medals, being 5 golds, 5 silver and bronze)

Since London is one quarter bigger population than the whole of Yorkshire, one quarter of the percentages have to be removed to give direct comparison, bring it down to the adjusted:

London: 31% of the medals, 27% of the golds

Yorkshire: 19% of the medals, 20% of the golds.

So yes, London is by far the best and these two counties together are completely dominating all the rest of the UK with half of all the medals and well over half all the golds.

 

[GaRRy]

So yes, London is by far the best and these two counties together are completely dominating all the rest of the UK with half of all the medals and well over half all the golds.

But the figures im talking about did not take into account population.

care to give a list of the 22 medalists so I can see how many of them are real Londoners ?

allowing for all the scots this means the rest of Britain won nothing !!!!!

 

[flecc]

I don't know why you are being so mean-minded Garry, the Londoners are very much real Londoners compared with some other regions. For example, the four persons of the two boat crews who won sailing medals today all live at Portland in Dorset because of their sailing interests. But one was born in Aberdeen, one in Manchester, one in Cardiff and the remaining one actually at Weymouth where the sailing is being held. So if you are going to pick at the London competitors to try to show they aren't real Londoners, you'll find that the other regions athletes are often even less of their declared areas. People do move during their life, but as a Londoner myself I only have to listen to London's successful athletes to know if they are Londoners as reported.

As I posted in reply to you elsewhere, London has seriously lacked training facilities so why on earth would athletes from elsewhere move here, only to have to travel long distances away for training? It defies logic.

The figures don't mean the rest of the UK won nothing, but they do mean that London, Yorkshire and Scotland with 31% of the UK population did exceptionally well. At the point of the figures above, between those two counties and one country they had won 42 of the 52 medals won by Team GB and 20 of the 25 golds. Since then the medal tally has increased by 4 further medals, none of them London or Yorkshire wins, one a Scottish win, so the rest of the country is redressing the balance slightly now.

Overall it looks unbalanced, but those areas are or contain big cities or conurbations and sport enthusiasms tend to develop by area. For example, with the Thames handy and it's Henley Regatta associations, it's not surprising that London turns out top rowers. With the Cowes Week associations, it's not surprising that the South Coast produces top sailors. Big zones or favourable circumstances can produce big activity movements in the way smaller provincial towns and villages in much of the country are unlikely to.

The simple fact is Garry that London is good at almost everything, much as that might upset you. In my part, a number of the American executives live here for their tours of duty and they have a saying, "London's where it buzzes". This ain't sleepy valley like so many of the other parts of the UK, the pace of life is much faster and the work rates high. London's exports including financial services dwarf the exports of the whole of the rest of the UK, and without London the UK would be instantly bankrupt. In another way of showing how good we are, the National Association of Chief Police Officers voted London's drivers the best in the country, and London isn't even represented in that body since we don't have a Chief Police Officer. And just look at the good job we've done of the Olympics, universally praised at all levels. Even the World Wide Web that we are communicating on was invented by Londoner Tim Berners-Lee, now Sir Tim.

We're good Garry, and so are those other two very proud regions, Yorkshire and Scotland. The pride of these regions surpasses that of most areas of the UK and the outcome is inevitably the success that comes of punching well above their weight. As proof, just look at this thread. I proclaimed London's success, Hech raised the success of his native Scotland's star and Dianefairhall posted Yorkshire's claims to fame. No-one from elsewhere was proud enough to point to any of the winners they've had. Says it all, doesn't it?
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[bazwaldo]

Hey I'm all for splitting GB up into new separate countries London, Yorkshire, and Scotland so I can instantly become a bankrupt member of the third world!

 

[flecc]

I think we are already in the third world or very close to it Bazwaldo, just pretending to be in the first world while being unable to afford it!

 

[geostorm]

London

Hech Excuse the pun ,.... but you could be on the right track

 

[jazper53]

After reading this thread I am starting to realise the benefits of the Union Jack.

ps Coming from East Sussex, I am not sure we can boast any medals at all

 

[flecc]

While on the subject of praise, look how brilliant the women athletes have been. 44% of our competing athletes are women and they've won 40% of our golds, so easily doing their share.

This shows why were were doing so badly in the Olympics of decades ago when few women were in Team GB, we were only using half the population which has to be really stupid.

 

[geostorm]

hEY YOU FORGOT JEREMY CLARCKSON...?


Seriously though what you are debating is or has been the cause of past battles all promoting ego, wanting to play the role of god, we all came into this world the sane way,...( quickly being taught the role of separation, and until we wake up to our true being it will be always the same ,them against us and we all exit the same way, in reality we are all one big happy family.so lets believe it, none can help where or when we are born or to whom ,... after all this could be just six billion films shown at the same time insanity or what,,?)....but the family problems all wanting and thinking we know best resulting in squabbles, feuds, or nationaly WAR..?.

Here ends the first lesson.

 

[flecc]

ps Coming from East Sussex, I am not sure we can boast any medals at all

I feel sure there are some, but don't forget that great rival of Sebastian Coe in their running days, Steve Ovett.

Brighton born Steve won a gold and a bronze at the 1980 Moscow Olympics and also set new 1500 metres and mile world records. To celebrate his achievements, Steve was made a Freeman of Brighton and Hove on the 3rd of August this year.
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