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[lenny]

Sony Unveils the World’s Smallest and Lightest LiDAR Depth Sensor

Sony Unveils the World's Smallest and Lightest LiDAR Depth Sensor

An impressive achievement in image sensor technology.

petapixel.com

 

[flecc]

All our energy comes from the Sun. It's a continuous process as long as the Sun continues to radiate and we stay at the same distance from it. As far as the Earth is concerned, any energy used is renewable by the same process that made it available. The claim is that, eventually, fossil fuels will run out. Their solution to ban it's use doesn't make any sense because all they've done is brought forward the lack of its use when we're least able to deal with its loss.

Indeed, but of course we have been exponentially using fossil fuels far faster than they are being created, so they definitely will run out on present policies, especially if we do not severely limit our population.

The irrational elements of the policy you comment on are just our usual human habit of deluding ourselves for convenience sake.
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[lenny]

British soldiers take down drone swarm in groundbreaking use of radio wave weapon

British soldiers take down drone swarm in groundbreaking use of radio wave weapon

British soldiers have successfully tracked, targeted and defeated swarms of drones in the latest trial of a new directed energy weapon developed in the UK.

www.gov.uk

 

[Woosh]

All our energy comes from the Sun. It's a continuous process as long as the Sun continues to radiate and we stay at the same distance from it. As far as the Earth is concerned, any energy used is renewable by the same process that made it available. The claim is that, eventually, fossil fuels will run out

The conditions that the earth were in when fossil fuels were formed may never happen again. Take coal for example. It is formed between 300-359 million years ago, during the carboniferous period. The earth was then a vast swamp. That may not happen again and in any case, the time it takes is likely longer than human existence. Oil was formed between 50 to 400 million years ago and similarly, took millions of year to form, well longer than human existence. Electricity from renewables can be cheaper for consumers and less polluting. It's a no brainer really. Those who pretend not understanding the reasons why we should move to electricity from renewables are malicious.

 

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Will secret high-tech projects soon be unveiled to the public?

www.infowars.com

cosmic power

 

[Chainmale]

Deliberately misunderstand.

The land belongs to all, so roads are provided on it by democratic rule for ALL to travel on, not for SOME to obstruct travel on them for residential purposes.

Without ownership of land there is no "private" land, but can be, as I posted, private RENTED land for homes etc, doing away with the evil of that form of inheritance. By the same token, the taxes on motoring are temporarily renting the road space for travel. For vehicle storage one must rent space elsewhere, it's called public parking.

And of course all those rental revenues of land space are owned by all as state revenue, in lieu of taxes.

It's very easy to understand if one reads what is actually posted or clearly implied.
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This smacks a little of "do as I say,not as I do". If you were not a property owner with your own private parking would you be as enthusiastic about the idea?

 

[flecc]

This smacks a little of "do as I say,not as I do". If you were not a property owner with your own private parking would you be as enthusiastic about the idea?

Yes, for two reasons:

1) Right remains right, whether in my self interest of not

2) Because like all sensible people, I plan my life as far as possible so would not land in that situation.
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[soundwave]

you never own anything in the uk as it is a corporation and if they want it they can force you to sell it to them with a compulsory sales order or if in a council house they can decant you.

i live in a pre fab that i will own any day now but every corporation has demolished them as can build 3 times as many houses on the land.

so if i pay 100k to fix it next door is still not fixed so could force me to sell it!

and war beats climate change 20 year war with Russia anyone all for profit and control of course

 

[soundwave]

i cleaned the fkn things as well

 

[Ghost1951]

Flecc REALLY doesn't like the law as it stands on ownership of property and probably, truth be told, about ownership of anything at all. What he likes, is government that tells people what to do and what they can own and how they must travel. Right to private property is against his principles. Maybe he should come clean and call himself Mau tse flecc...

As for fossil energy - that comes from the sun too. It's just that the sun made it a rather long time ago, when shining down on hot swamps in the Cretaceous period. It is all the same stuff in the end, complex carbon compounds made by plants out of water, carbon dioxide and sunshine. Basically - they make sugars which get transformed by other processes into a whole variety of stuff. That is what is powering me right now after my breakfast of banana sandwiches and coffee. I'm going to make some egg and chips in my air fryer soon, and a chicken curry tonight for me and my partner.

I don't deny that that carbon was locked away under ground as coal and oil and gas when the carbon content of the atmosphere was much higher than it is now and the climate was a lot warmer. In fact, as I have said here a few times before, for most of the last half billion years the planet was many degrees warmer than it is now. Humans have never seen that kind of climate since we only came down from the trees in the last 150,000 years. Before that our species didn't exist, though other hominids did for sure. Now we are releasing that carbon back into the atmosphere and changing the proportion in doing so.

 

[Ghost1951]

Some people think homo sapiens is a gentle, co-operative animal that is full of altruism and wants to share everything it has with other homo-sapiens it doesn't know and even with other animals....


Ha ha ha ha - delusional idiots.

I have a more realistic view, based on data and observation. Homo sapiens IS co-operative only in so far as he co-operates with people he knows - family and clans basically. After that, he is very likely to actually exploit other homo-sapiens he is not related to. This is what the species has done since it ever existed. Neanderthals most likely died out because they were overtaken by homo-sapiens. The species has a remarkable talent for enslaving other homo sapiens not like them and not of their clan. This has been a feature of every historical society we can name. You only need to look. This is written into our dna. It is who we are.

We are a competitive species. THAT is what we are, and we are also competitive within our own societies. Even Mau's China and Russian communism only said they were redistributing the land and wealth. In reality they kept most of the goodies for the Party big wigs and they killed anyone who tried to change things.

There are plenty of useful idiots who want to get back to having government control everything while the people are stifled and told exactly what to do. Since the end of WW2, Britain has been gradually dragging itself back to the past in regard to freedom and we are doing it at an accelerating rate, thanks to idiots like some we have on here who want to control everything, including what you are allowed to say, without having the Gestapo turn up at your door with a battering ram to drag you off to 're-education camp.'

Mind what you type. Say the wrong thing and you can end up doing more time than a robber or a thug who commits ABH.

 

[flecc]

Flecc REALLY doesn't like the law as it stands on ownership of property and probably, truth be told, about ownership of anything at all. What he likes, is government that tells people what to do and what they can own and how they must travel. Right to private property is against his principles. Maybe he should come clean and call himself Mau tse flecc...

Once again, the grossest of exaggeration, so once again from me, please take some urgently needed reading lessons. I've made no mention of ownership of property, whether residential or any other sort.

I posted about ownership of LAND, the lack of which does not prevent ownership of property. Mine for example enjoys a 999 year lease, a huge multiple of my lifespan. I don't even own it any longer having cashed it in, but have the legal right to live in it until 2060 when I'll be 130 years old if still alive.

The truth is that I am all for the maximum private ownership of all forms of property that doesn't deprive others, since that implies investment over saving which stimulates the economy and can add to national wealth and individual well being. That's the conservative in me that seems to puzzle you so much.

So not in any way as extreme as you are, but someone who believes in the best of all compatible elements of policy for the benefit of all. I am in short a true centrist, politically the nearest being moderate socialism in the Scandinavian model.
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[flecc]

Some people think homo sapiens is a gentle, co-operative animal that is full of altruism and wants to share everything it has with other homo-sapiens it doesn't know and even with other animals....


Ha ha ha ha - delusional idiots.

I have a more realistic view, based on data and observation. Homo sapiens IS co-operative only in so far as he co-operates with people he knows - family and clans basically. After that, he is very likely to actually exploit other homo-sapiens he is not related to. This is what the species has done since it ever existed. Neanderthals most likely died out because they were overtaken by homo-sapiens. The species has a remarkable talent for enslaving other homo sapiens not like them and not of their clan. This has been a feature of every historical society we can name. You only need to look. This is written into our dna. It is who we are.

We are a competitive species. THAT is what we are, and we are also competitive within our own societies. Even Mau's China and Russian communism only said they were redistributing the land and wealth. In reality they kept most of the goodies for the Party big wigs and they killed anyone who tried to change things.

There are plenty of useful idiots who want to get back to having government control everything while the people are stifled and told exactly what to do. Since the end of WW2, Britain has been gradually dragging itself back to the past in regard to freedom and we are doing it at an accelerating rate, thanks to idiots like some we have on here who want to control everything, including what you are allowed to say, without having the Gestapo turn up at your door with a battering ram to drag you off to 're-education camp.'

Mind what you type. Say the wrong thing and you can end up doing more time than a robber or a thug who commits ABH.

I don't disagree with anything you say here, other than the unjustifiable calling others idiots because they have greater vision than you.

You are quoting the historical facts of our evolution as animals struggling to survive in a fiercely competitive environment, a type of environment we've maintained by ingrained habit far beyond any usefulness. We are no longer threatened, except by ourselves, so we can now have a safer and more harmonious environment where we no longer threaten each other but use that capability to help each other instead.

Why should we change to that?

Simply because the old way is clearly no longer working properly for anyone, our energies too often being expended to negative affect for all. You've said it yourself about this country, "Why is it that nothing, absolutely nothing, works any more?"
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[MikelBikel]

More deliberate "misunderstanding".

What they produce is the renewable. The difference is they do not have to fed with fossil fuels, as you well know.
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We have already seen that the reverse auction means we pay the Highest price for All the energy, however produced. So No economic benefit.

We know that Dunkelflauten means we need Coal, Oil, and Gas and Nooklear (if available) to keep the grid supplied and stable.

We also know the true huge cost of Non"Renewable" Pollutionables, both to make them, cut trees to place them, maintain, and dispose of them in landfill or the ocean. Where do we suppose they dump dead offshore windmills?

If greenies really were truly green, then their only green option would be to chuck themselves in the composter. As they use more public money, energy and make more pollution with their fake greenwashing than the rest of us?

G'day cobbers

 

[flecc]

We have already seen that the reverse auction means we pay the Highest price for All the energy, however produced. So No economic benefit.

We know that Dunkelflauten means we need Oil, and Gas and Nooklear (if available) to keep the grid supplied and stable.

We also know the true huge cost of Non"Renewable Pollutionables, both to make them, maintain, and dispose of them in landfill or the ocean. Where do we suppose they dump dead offshore windmills?

If greenies really were truly green, then their only green option would be to chuck themselves in the composter. As they use more public money, energy and make more pollution with their fake greenwashing than the rest of us?

Agreed, and I'm certainly not a political Green.

I wasn't advocating renewables, just pointing out what the renewable element was, not the infrastructure as you intentionally wrongly posted.
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[Woosh]

We have already seen that the reverse auction means we pay the Highest price for All the energy, however produced. So No economic benefit.

Reverse auction means suppliers bid lower price to get contract.
The supplier with the lowest price get to sell.
Customers will benefit because electricity produced by renewables are intrinsically cheaper than gas based generation unless it's night time and the wind doesn't blow.

 

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the electric is free if you are disabled and on a priority list and there is nothing they can do about it.

you can also have your own meter installed for 3-500 quid and wont get any bill.

 

[MikelBikel]

Reverse auction means suppliers bid lower price to get contract.
The supplier with the lowest price get to sell.
Customers will benefit because electricity produced by renewables are intrinsically cheaper than gas based generation unless it's night time and the wind doesn't blow.

No, that's an Auction
The Energy Market is a Reverse Auction
They submit their prices and the EU/gov gets the supply companies to pay them ALL the HIGHEST price.
Because the UK is INTERCONNECTED into Europe the UK has to take part in the Same EUSSR Reverse Market.

We even have to pay the Solar and Wind generators even when they are NOT generating or have to Turn Off due to Oversupply. You are in business and surely know this already?

 

[Woosh]

the electric is free if you are disabled and on a priority list and there is nothing they can do about it.

you can also have your own meter installed for 3-500 quid and wont get any bill.

Being disabled isn't a choice, is it?

 

[Woosh]

No, that's an Auction
The Energy Market is a Reverse Auction
They submit their prices and the EU/gov gets the supply companies to pay them ALL the HIGHEST price.
Because the UK is INTERCONNECTED into Europe the UK has to take part in the Same EUSSR Reverse Market.

We even have to pay the Solar and Wind generators even when they are NOT generating or have to Turn Off due to Oversupply. You are in business and surely know this already?

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I pay contract price, a little less than the maximum capped price, 10p per kwh for gas, 20p for electricity. What you are talking about is the price your supplier is willing to buy at, that's a normal auction like you would buy a car at an auction. Thanks to solar and wind, the market has widened and brought the price lower. You would otherwise have to pay at gas and nuclear price.