Prices of the electricity we use to charge

[MikelBikel]

Ah, what a shame, have they been naughty?
Fancy, an EUSSR NGO calling out another for bribery.
Those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones!

Huawei kicked out of EU solar industry association - Euractiv

Huawei, a long-time 'sponsor' member of SolarPower Europe contributing €60,000 annually, is the first company to be removed from the association.

www.euractiv.com

 

[soundwave]

EU to propose blanket ban on Russian gas

The upcoming legislation sets up a clash between Brussels and EU capitals eying a post-war return to cheap Russian energy.

www.politico.eu

 

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[AndyBike]

I have no problem with importing highly qualified people with skills we need. Such people are bound to be an asset.

But here's the irony.

The great unwashed that the likes of farage/reform/gb news likes to attract dont distinguish one brown person with another. They act on face value and would level the same amount of hatred towards a low paid deliveroo rider as they would a top brain surgeon.

So why would these highly skilled people pick Britain to settle in, when they know from TV reports, interweb etc that due to the above groups they might face mindless and violent assault just because they aren't indigenous or white.

 

[soundwave]

total jobs in the uk is less than 1 million to apply for total unemployed plus immigrants means there is not enough jobs for everyone.

3.Vacancies for January to March 2025

Figure 1: The estimated number of vacancies decreased on the quarter to 781,000, standing at 15,000 (1.8%) below its January to March 2020 pre-pandemic level
Number of vacancies in the UK, seasonally adjusted, January to March 2006, to January to March 2025

Vacancies and jobs in the UK - Office for National Statistics

Estimates of the number of vacancies and jobs for the UK.

www.ons.gov.uk

 

[jamesporritt]

Dr. Ahmed stole your job.

 

[MikelBikel]

"According to the World Bank there is only 1 country with less sunshine than Britain, Ireland"
Solar Flaps, haha

 

[Woosh]

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"According to the World Bank there is only 1 country with less sunshine than Britain, Ireland"
Solar Flaps, haha

can't you bring yourself to accept that electricity from solar is cheaper than from coal in most parts of the world, including Ireland?

 

[Ghost1951]

But here's the irony.

The great unwashed that the likes of farage/reform/gb news likes to attract dont distinguish one brown person with another. They act on face value and would level the same amount of hatred towards a low paid deliveroo rider as they would a top brain surgeon.

So why would these highly skilled people pick Britain to settle in, when they know from TV reports, interweb etc that due to the above groups they might face mindless and violent assault just because they aren't indigenous or white.

You are talking through your arse and betray your hard left arrogance in speaking the way you did about people who vote for Reform. They are in the main, disappointed working class workers who have been betrayed by the other parties. You disgust me in referring to 30% of the electorate as 'the great unwashed' and describing them as racists. I actually think you must have been drunk when you posted that.

I refer you to this post for further information.

Prices of the electricity we use to charge

www.pedelecs.co.uk

 

[Woosh]

You are talking through your arse and betray your hard left arrogance in speaking the way you did about people who vote for Reform. They are in the main, disappointed working class workers who have been betrayed by the other parties. You disgust me in referring to 30% of the electorate as 'the great unwashed' and describing them as racists. I actually think you must have been drunk when you posted that.

I refer you to this post for further information.

Reform doesn't create legitimate grievances like illegal immigration, high cost of living, housing crisis, high energy prices but deviously exploits them. It brought us nothing good.

 

[MikelBikel]

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can't you bring yourself to accept that electricity from solar is cheaper than from coal in most parts of the world, including Ireland?

But solar panels are made *with* coal, not "than", just in another country. Legacy fuel cost is inflated by the stupid Karbon Tax, "Standing charge" tax, and VAT (all tax is theft). We are Paying for them Anyway. And we still need it for backup, baseload and grid stability.

If Zolar needs that much subsidising then it's not cheaper. The true cost is disguised. And there's the farming land obstructed out of production.
If someone wants them, sure, *you* pay for them on *your* roof. Hell I might even get some, hehe.

Happy dunkelflaute, winter is coming. Btw, out of curiosity, Where are you burying your dead panels, and how much did it cost to replace them, Inc labour?

 

[saneagle]

But here's the irony.

The great unwashed that the likes of farage/reform/gb news likes to attract dont distinguish one brown person with another. They act on face value and would level the same amount of hatred towards a low paid deliveroo rider as they would a top brain surgeon.

That sounds a bit hypocritical. You're doing the same to them as you accuse them of doing. You're not distinguishing one from another. You seem to be acting with the same amount of hatred to all of them whether they're deliveroo drivers or brain surgeons.

 

[Woosh]

But solar panels are made *with* coal, not "than", just in another country. Legacy fuel cost is inflated by the stupid Karbon Tax, "Standing charge" tax, and VAT (all tax is theft). We are Paying for them Anyway. And we still need it for backup, baseload and grid stability.

that's incorrect. Let's talk through point by point.

1. But solar panels are made *with* coal, not "than", just in another country.

Coal was the backbone of China's energy mix until last year, but no longer.

In 2024, China added:

• Solar PV: 170 GW
• Wind: 90 GW
• Coal: 40 GW

China has net zero target too, 2060.

2. Legacy fuel cost is inflated by the stupid Carbon Tax
It may be stupid but it's a tax. However, carbon tax or 'climate charge levy' added 0.775p per kwH electricity price. Not a significant amount while the price is set by Ofgem to be based 97% on gas because it's the mopst expensive. If government allows the customer buy at instantaneous market price, all the nuclear, biomass, gas and diesel generators will instantly go bust because renewables will wipe the floor to all of them. I can see that it's not wise.

3. (all tax is theft)
soundwave will agree with you but all of us still pay taxes because deep down, we know we need a government.

4. And we still need it for backup, baseload and grid stability.

Yes, and renewables and interconnectors are better solutions than any stabilisers based on a rotating mass like steam turbines. The problem is legislation. At the moment, if the frequency is out by 1Hz (49Hz or 51Hz instead of 50Hz), all the inverters, home and larger installations, will disconnect at once, causing a cascading event. That need to be changed, you don't want to disconnect renewables when the frequency drops, you want to use them to stabilise the grid. The software that TSOs use were made for gas and nuclear also needs to be upgraded.

I hope we can debate this important subject with facts rather than emotions.

 

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[MikelBikel]

In Ireland there is a Capital cost outstanding on the wind and solar amounting to between €6,000 and €7,000 *per bill payer*.
As around 25% of Non"Renewables" are already insolvent there will come a point when all of them will default on their loans.
Guess who will have to step in and "bail-out" (remember that word from the 2008 banks 'crash') these "private" entities? Yes, the Irish Taxpayer will be robbed, again.

How's them for facts? :-/


These are theoretical max outputs under ideal conditions. When they're not broken, or too much or too little wind (dunkelflaute). And it amounts to, well, your guess is as good as mine?

And we still need all the necessary legacy generation for the max grid load. What a joke.

 

[Woosh]

I think we are still paying for early mistakes. It's unfortunate but going back to fossil fuel does not remove the previous mistakes. Soundwave 's installed solar panels must have cost the council more than £7k. It's now pretty worthless.
I am about the only one on here happy with a cheap 5kw heatpump. I paid £350 and installed it myself. I know everyone else doesn't go down the same path.

 

[Ghost1951]

that's incorrect. Let's talk through point by point.

1. But solar panels are made *with* coal, not "than", just in another country.

Coal was the backbone of China's energy mix until last year, but no longer.

In 2024, China added:

• Solar PV: 170 GW
• Wind: 90 GW
• Coal: 40 GW

China has net zero target too, 2060.

2. Legacy fuel cost is inflated by the stupid Carbon Tax
It may be stupid but it's a tax. However, carbon tax or 'climate charge levy' added 0.775p per kwH electricity price. Not a significant amount while the price is set by Ofgem to be based 97% on gas because it's the mopst expensive. If government allows the customer buy at instantaneous market price, all the nuclear, biomass, gas and diesel generators will instantly go bust because renewables will wipe the floor to all of them. I can see that it's not wise.

3. (all tax is theft)
soundwave will agree with you but all of us still pay taxes because deep down, we know we need a government.

4. And we still need it for backup, baseload and grid stability.

Yes, and renewables and interconnectors are better solutions than any stabilisers based on a rotating mass like steam turbines. The problem is legislation. At the moment, if the frequency is out by 1Hz (49Hz or 51Hz instead of 50Hz), all the inverters, home and larger installations, will disconnect at once, causing a cascading event. That need to be changed, you don't want to disconnect renewables when the frequency drops, you want to use them to stabilise the grid. The software that TSOs use were made for gas and nuclear also needs to be upgraded.

I hope we can debate this important subject with facts rather than emotions.

This is another total distortion.

In 2024 China produced 53% of its energy from coal, 17% from oil and about 8% from gas. That is nearly 80% from fossil fuels, and if you add in the burning of waste, you certainly get to that figure. Last year they built 40 Gwatts of NEW coal power generation.

They burned FOUR BILLION TONNES of coal last year!


Oh - and by the way - the
If you put the 260 Gwatts of new green Chinese power against the legacy 3,349Gwatts of mostly high carbon Chinese power generation, the new stuff is a spit in the ocean.

Take into account that UK electric power emits 135 grams of co2 per kilowatt hour and Chinese power emits 582 grams of co2.

You regularly whitewash Chinese emissions. I have no idea why. I can't work out why anyone would do that.

Oh - and by the way - the focus on the frequency of teh grid is NOT a bureaucratic fixation on a magic number. The reason the frequency is kept up is that it means the total of the generation being put into the grid matches the demand. If the frequency goes to 51 or 53 HTZ, it means there is too much generation and the voltage on teh grid and in teh transformers and in the sockets in your kitchen goes up and is well out of specification. The turbines are rotating faster than they ought to be and if it goes much further they will run away unless throttled back. If it goes the other way and falls down to 48, or 47, the load on the grid is higher than the generation being put in and the load increases so much that the giant rotating turbines have slowed down.

As for renewables being better at managing load variations than the inertia of rotating mass - it isn't, and you were saying the opposite two days ago.