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Trump's second presidency may do us all a favour. Trump reduces US hegemony. China has already setup and uses its digital currency to facilitate international trade. The ECB will learn from that. In a generation, digital currency will be used everywhere while the USA will still has to pay huge interest on its national debts.
 
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Africa is vastly underdevelopped. People move to where there are jobs. Manufacturing will move to where wages are lowest and energy and supply chains can be organised.
I reckon the problem will solve itself with China's belt and road initiative in the next 50 to 100 years. Here are the current estimates of population densities in the near future, next 100 years:

  • Africa is projected to more than triple its density, pressing urgent concerns over resources, infrastructure, and urban planning.
  • Asia stabilizes after mid-century, as fertility declines offset growth.
  • Europe continues to shrink in density due to low birth rates.
  • North America, Latin America, and Oceania maintain relatively flat density growth.
    ✔ Africa: Rapid urbanisation & densification. Policy focus needed on housing, food, health.
    ✔ Asia: Plateauing densities mean shifting attention toward ageing infrastructures and declining rural regions.
    ✔ Europe: Decline continues — think adaptation to shrinking, ageing populations.
    ✔ Americas & Oceania: Balanced growth; less dramatic challenges.

Continent~2020 Density(people/km²)2050 Density2100 Density
Africa~4084148 (stats.unctad.org)
Asia~142170147
Europe~74 (Western ~183)(Western ~183)~27
North America~35~21 (N. America region)~25
Latin America & Caribbean~, (~34 region)~34~32
Oceania~5.8~5.8~8.6

Again, you have a vast capacity for spouting left wing delusion - whatever the evidence to the contrary. There is no excuse in my view for optimistic shrugging that African or Middle Eastern governments will suddenly change their spots and make their countries function properly, or that the people there will change their culture and start having small families. My bet is that neither will happen.

We have never seen the levels of migration from Africa that we see today and there is no sign whatsoever that it is abating.

Africa is in an undeveloped state for reasons. The left always claims it is because colonisation made it so. This is palpable rubbish. Africa was colonised BECAUSE it was undeveloped and the people were living in a primeval state.

WHY?

How was it that the population of a small island in the North Atlantic was able to colonise large areas of Africa - thousands of miles away?

The reason is that the continent was in a primeval state and other parts of the planet were not. So why was it that a large continent, replete with vast resources was populated by primeval cultures of people living semi naked, totally disorganised, under the control of war lords, and armed with only the most primitive weapons?

Coming up to modern times - European powers left Africa sixty years ago. They handed billions in aid to the governments of the many countries in Africa that they had been connected to. What became of it?

There are countries in Africa that were never colonised. Ethiopia and Liberia. Why are they in the same state of chaos, kleptocracy and underdevelopment as the rest. If colonisation was the cause of African troubles - why are these just as bad? Googling Ethiopian economy, suggests that it is rapidly developing, then you discover that it is one of the poorest countries in Africa with an average income of $1020 a year.
 
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France has 500+ MPAs where fishing is banned altogether. A lot more than 13.
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UK sea area run as marine protection zones 338,729 sq Km.
French sea run as area marine protection zones 173,032 sq Km.

Neither country has protected enough. But the French are persistently demanding more access to our waters and have no right to do so except that they threaten obstruction to trade and movement. The French have persistently resisted attempts by UK Govt. to protect waters.
 
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Half a Billion Pounds paid to wind farm operators this year so far NOT TO GENERATE the power they could have put onto the grid.

You just couldn't make it up!


Labour needs to get on with this. The useless Conservatives didn't because they were scared of the reaction of country people.

BUILD THE PYLONS NOW.

BAN PLANNERS FROM STOPPING MUCH NEEDED DEVELOPMENT.

Why we ever gave so much power to planners anyway is beyond understanding. You can't do pretty much anything with your own property in this country without involving an army of useless bureaucrats from the local council. The Town and Country Planning Act has been an absolute disaster for this country.
 

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There's a really interesting set of articles by Sam Freedman on the rise of the radical right and the decline of the centre right and the tensions and overlaps of the hard economic libertarians (including all the "tech bros" ) and the populists. Also we now have a network of alternative media outlets that bypass the mediation (and fact checking!) of the mainstream media.

here's the latest https://samf.substack.com/p/when-the-clock-broke?r=72szy
 
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Woosh

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Half a Billion Pounds paid to wind farm operators this year so far NOT TO GENERATE the power they could have put onto the grid.

You just couldn't make it up!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdedjnw8e85o

Labour needs to get on with this. The useless Conservatives didn't because they were scared of the reaction of country people.

BUILD THE PYLONS NOW.

BAN PLANNERS FROM STOPPING MUCH NEEDED DEVELOPMENT.

Why we ever gave so much power to planners anyway is beyond understanding. You can't do pretty much anything with your own property in this country without involving an army of useless bureaucrats from the local council. The Town and Country Planning Act has been an absolute disaster for this country.

PeriodWind constraint paymentsAmount (early gas)
Full year 2024~£393 million
Jan–Feb 2025253 million (wind)210 million (gas)
Forecast 2025Up to £1.8–2 billion

Not just wind generators, gas generators are equally paid compensation when they are forced to switch off.
The root of the problem is of course the insufficient grid capacity which needs to be addressed as quickly as possible. We should renationalise the grid (£40 billions) and the distributors (£70 billions) but we don't have the money.
 
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PeriodWind constraint paymentsAmount (early gas)
Full year 2024~£393 million
Jan–Feb 2025253 million (wind)210 million (gas)
Forecast 2025Up to £1.8–2 billion

Not just wind generators, gas generators are equally paid compensation when they are forced to switch off.
The root of the problem is of course the insufficient grid capacity which needs to be addressed as quickly as possible. We should renationalise the grid (£40 billions) and the distributors (£70 billions) but we don't have the money.
Root of problem is paying mills and flaps when legacy generation could do it all without them.
The gas is only switched off when unrenewables generate, they are the dunkelflaute problem.
Typical lame euphemism "wind constraint payment".
I sometimes constrain my wind..
But I don't get payed for it! ;)
 
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There's a really interesting set of articles by Sam Freedman on the rise of the radical right and the decline of the centre right and the tensions and overlaps of the hard economic libertarians (including all the "tech bros" ) and the populists. Also we now have a network of alternative media outlets that bypass the mediation (and fact checking!) of the mainstream media.

here's the latest https://samf.substack.com/p/when-the-clock-broke?r=72szy
There seems to be a lot of upheaval in a range of nations where insurgent parties gain support and could potentially make radical changes to the way things are done and to prevailing attitudes. This could be a good thing, or it could be a very bad thing - it depends.

Why is it happening?

I suspect it has multi-dimensional causes. One of them is resentment among some worker groups and social classes. Globalisation and large scale migration has worked against the interests of quite large, but not much regarded groups in society. Americans call them, 'blue collar workers', we might say, 'working class'.

Working Class though doesn't define them closely enough. Who has done badly depends on where they live inside the UK. There are strong regional differences in how 'working class' people have done. It depends on what underpins local economies.

In London and the South East, working class people still have opportunities and decent incomes, albeit that housing costs more there. This is not so in the one time dynamo of the UK, the Industrial Midlands and the North. There are areas far from London which have been very badly neglected. Industry left for China, and nothing else grew up in its place other than very poorly paid work in call centres. Even that has migrated. This leaves a large number of very disappointed people who seek alternative politics - hoping for change.

I don't want to harp on too much about migration, but cheap and willing migrants have undercut the opportunities for such people as I have mentioned. It is undeniable that European and more distant migration over the last twenty years suppressed wages and opportunities for large numbers of people who forty ears ago had good incomes and good lives in industry. The industry evaporated and replacement jobs had very poor wages and terms and conditions. Gig Economy, Zero hours contracts and poor wages. None of those would have been possible without an endless stream of migrants who would tolerate them.

The reason we have a shortage of care workers is that the pay is appalling the work is hard and the conditions are abominable. They have to travel from client to client in their own unpaid time. In some areas, travel can be the largest part of the days work, but is unpaid. The answer is not to bring in 100,000 migrant care workers as Sunac did (and their 80,000 dependants) - it is to pay them properly and provide decent conditions. The answer to a shortage of agricultural workers or warehouse workers is the same. Pay and conditions.

None of the traditional parties were offering change - the ground is wide open for any party who offered solutions, irrespective of whether they could actually deliver change.

Incredibly, the traditional left completely abandoned the people who were their core support - the white working class,in favour of left wing - metropolitan concerns about internationalism, and social attitudes their core supporter never shared. Labour by 2019 had moved so very far from its roots in working class industrial Britain as to put a half crazed, unpatriotic, peacenick, metropolitan lefty, activist up as a potential Prime Minister. Jeremy Corbyn. He openly stated that he would never use the armed forces - even if attacked.

No one who knew the traditional industrial world could have imagined a less palatable potential leader for 'The North'. Everything Corbyn stood for, was despised by large numbers of northern people. The Labour vote collapsed and they - unbelievably - voted for Conservatives, even in traditional mining areas. Labour was full of people like Corbyn - at least they stood behind him and smiled - Even Starmer did so.

The Northern working class voted Conservative - voted for Boris and were betrayed. His levelling up promise was bull.

He wasted a massive majority where he could have done so much - albeit that covid was no easy problem to be confronted with, and nor was the Russian invasion of its neighbour - impacting fuel prices in an unprecedented way which crushed family finances for many and damaged many aspects of the economy. These things were not Boris's fault, but he achieved nothing for the people who had given him their trust.

Farage is an opportunist. I don't like him. I don't trust him, but his party will continue to gain in popularity because the traditional parties neglected a very large proportion of the UK population. They not only ignored them, they mocked them. People who come on here and put up confected images of Farage with a Hitler moustache are doing exactly that. People who put images of Mussolini under my posts about working class concerns are doing exactly that. Working class concerns about work, migration, house prices are nothing to do with European fascists of the mid twentieth century.
 

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The other fish farm problem is what they feed the salmon on. It is no use abandoning the traditional wild fish hunting of fish that has been so overdone that we have wrecked most of our fisheries and marine environment, if we feed fish meal raped from the seas to the caged salmon. What good have we done if we do that? We are still pillaging the oceans for fish protein.... We need food sources that we can obtain from land grown feed stock. About half of the food supplied to farmed salmon comes from fish meal and fish oil derived from traditional fishing.

However they can be fed on insect based foods which can be produced in factories on land. Soldier fly larvae can form a basis of the protein requirement of farmed salmon. The conversion rate of insect protein is very much better than ordinary meat production - better even than poultry which is the most efficient meat production in terms of how many kilos of feed is required to produce a kilo of meat. From memory, I think it was about 1.7 kilos of oats to make 1 kilo of cricket protein. I am not suggesting that crickets would suit salmon, but soldier fly larvae do and have no impact on the taste of the product.

Either way - if we don't stop raping the seas with the current disgusting fishing methods and scale of extraction of fish we will do intolerable damage to the environment.

European fishing methods and scale of exploitation are outrageously bad.

I see an overlap here.
One lot are bottom trawling for scallops, and dumping everything else they catch..
While the other are using crap for fish feed when there's better going begging..
Put them together, "if you want to trawl, you'll have to send the leftovers to fish farm.
Fish farm, you have to meet them halfway and pick up your feed there".
'Kill two birds with one stone' :)
 

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The reason we have a shortage of care workers is that the pay is appalling the work is hard and the conditions are abominable. They have to travel from client to client in their own unpaid time. In some areas, travel can be the largest part of the days work, but is unpaid. The answer is not to bring in 100,000 migrant care workers as Sunac did (and their 80,000 dependants) - it is to pay them properly and provide decent conditions. The answer to a shortage of agricultural workers or warehouse workers is the same. Pay and conditions.
Decent wages cannot bring manufacturing back.
The root cause is our capitalism is the system is not self regulating. We don't have enough negative feedback mechanism for that. Left to the free market, owners will shut their factories where labour is unionised and salary is 'decent'. In the service market, they'll go for immigrants, legal and illegal.
They need to compete not only with indigeneous firms but also international firms. Apple cannot divorced China, AI needs Indian software engineers for example.
The Chinese style mix of communism and capitalism is in many ways superior to our free market economy.
This said, it's on balance a good thing that our democracy is tested once every hundred years or so by a little bit of far right.
 
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France will surrender again.
I can't see Jordan Bardella as future president, however, there is a but somewhere. As opposition party, RN is doing very well but fundamentally, France is rather conservative with a small c. French have a conservative wallet and a socialist heart.
 

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I see an overlap here.
One lot are bottom trawling for scallops, and dumping everything else they catch..
While the other are using crap for fish feed when there's better going begging..
Put them together, "if you want to trawl, you'll have to send the leftovers to fish farm.
Fish farm, you have to meet them halfway and pick up your feed there".
'Kill two birds with one stone' :)
It's already law in the EU since 2015, 10 years ago, you just didn't check. By-catch must be landed, no fish discarded at sea. By-catch is used to make fish oil and fishmeal for fish farms.