Are you one of these people who has fallen in love with Chat Gpt?
Prices of the electricity we use to charge
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I use chatGPT for all sorts of things!
There is a new chatbot for chess called 'sensei'. Extremely impressive. You should give it a try.
There is a new chatbot for chess called 'sensei'. Extremely impressive. You should give it a try.
That's for when they want to pull the wool over your eyes. It makes you want to trust it more than the propaganda it normally spouts. Do you understand how confidence tricks work? It's similar to the phrase "trusted sources", and we know how that worked out.
The problem with data centres
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Are you Awre that Groq where that guy is CEO and Grok the AI arm of X , owned mostly by Elon Musk are very different in size and influence?
AI data centres are very different to traditional datacentres like those running websites, search engines, FB, Netflix, Amazon services etc. They need UPS, good connections etc. AI datacentres are usually meant they are built to run Nvidia GPUs. They can run entirely on renewables, no UPS, anywhere, in the desert, out in the middle of oceans or even placed into orbit, whereas conventional datacentres are kept near cities and motorways.
AI data centres are very different to traditional datacentres like those running websites, search engines, FB, Netflix, Amazon services etc. They need UPS, good connections etc. AI datacentres are usually meant they are built to run Nvidia GPUs. They can run entirely on renewables, no UPS, anywhere, in the desert, out in the middle of oceans or even placed into orbit, whereas conventional datacentres are kept near cities and motorways.
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So datacenters planned that could use the entire power generation capabilities of Wyoming. And no-one is working out how to power them? But it's cheaper coz Wyoming use Coal for leccy generation, and they have more Water for cooling.
Are there any of these fabled Desert, Floating or Space borne AI zenterz? Any? "Concepts", "Planned", "Allegedly". So none then.
And note the "ocean center..use sea for cooling ", "space center..use solar power". So one has the cooling water and the other has solar power. But neither has BOTH, so no go unless they have a long extension lead And hose pipe between the two, genius!
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"Floating data centers and space-based AI centers are innovative concepts aimed at addressing the growing demand for computing power while minimizing environmental impact. Floating data centers, like those being developed in China, utilize ocean water for cooling, while space-based data centers could leverage solar power and avoid terrestrial limitations, although both face unique challenges. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=desert+floating+or+space+AI+center&ia=web&assist=true"
Are there any of these fabled Desert, Floating or Space borne AI zenterz? Any? "Concepts", "Planned", "Allegedly". So none then.
And note the "ocean center..use sea for cooling ", "space center..use solar power". So one has the cooling water and the other has solar power. But neither has BOTH, so no go unless they have a long extension lead And hose pipe between the two, genius!
Utilities brace for staggering power demands from AI, data centers in Wyoming
Exploding demand for artificial intelligence and other digital services could require more than double Wyoming's electrical capabilities. Lawmakers will cons...
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"Floating data centers and space-based AI centers are innovative concepts aimed at addressing the growing demand for computing power while minimizing environmental impact. Floating data centers, like those being developed in China, utilize ocean water for cooling, while space-based data centers could leverage solar power and avoid terrestrial limitations, although both face unique challenges. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=desert+floating+or+space+AI+center&ia=web&assist=true"
Wyoming is big on coal but those building AI datacentres have schemes to lessen the environmental issues.
I can ask ChatGPT for you but this quick Google reply makes the point for current projects in Wyoming. New plans will have better schemes to lessen further environmental impacts.
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Not all data centers in Wyoming will be powered by coal, with some major projects actively pursuing renewable energy, natural gas, and carbon capture technology. However, since Wyoming remains a major coal producer and exporter, some energy in the state's overall power grid still comes from coal.
Here are the specific energy plans for several data center operators in Wyoming:
Crusoe Energy Systems: For its massive AI data center campus near Cheyenne, Crusoe plans to use a combination of natural gas and future renewable energy sources. A key part of the plan is leveraging carbon capture technology, which will be supported by partner company Tallgrass’s nearby CO2 sequestration hub.
Prometheus Hyperscale: The company's 1.2 GW data center campus near Evanston is also designed to operate with a mix of energy sources, including natural gas and local wind farms. The gas generation will be paired with carbon capture and removal credits. Prometheus has also signed an agreement with a small modular nuclear reactor developer, Oklo, for future power.
Microsoft: Microsoft has focused on using renewable energy for its Cheyenne data centers. In 2016, the company announced that its facilities would be powered entirely by wind energy, utilizing power purchase agreements with wind farms in Wyoming and Kansas. Microsoft has also noted that it is transitioning its backup generators to be powered by biofuel.
Meta: While not explicitly mentioning coal, Meta has a long-term goal of matching 100% of its global energy use with renewable sources. The company has invested in large-scale renewable projects, such as a major solar facility in Texas, to support its U.S. data center operations.
Lunavi: The IT infrastructure company Lunavi, which operates a data center in Cheyenne, has marketed its facility as powered by 100% renewable energy.
While the Facts are:
"Wyoming has several coal-fired power plants, including the Jim Bridger Power Plant, Naughton Power Plant, and Dave Johnston Power Plant. These facilities are significant contributors to the state's electricity generation, with coal accounting for about 59.6% of Wyoming's total electricity production in 2024. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=coal+fired+power+plants+in+wyoming&ia=web&assist=true "
Wyoming has 23 Coal plants in 9 locations for 6.2MW output. And they plan to open more..
Lawmaker Announces Plan To Build Next-Generation Coal-Fired Plant In Wyoming
A new coal-fired power plant hasn’t opened in the U.S. since 2013, but that’s about to change. A leading state legislator tells Cowboy State Daily that…
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How many Power Generation plants have the AI centers built to power their Centers? Nil
"Wyoming produces about 12 times more energy than it consumes, and it is the fourth-largest net energy supplier among the states" eia.gov US
It then sells this excess to other states, like Colorado, who pretend they're not using coal power..
or "Datacentres" , haha ;-)
Power Plants Burning More Wyoming Coal So Far In 2025
Despite the layoffs of 28 Kemmerer coal mine workers last week, there’s evidence of an uptick in demand for thermal coal from Wyoming. So far in 2025,…
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Category:Existing coal plants in Wyoming
Wyoming has 23 operating coal-fired power stations at 9 locations totaling 6,168 megawatts (MW). Click on the locations shown on the map for plant details. (To return to the map of existing coal plants in the U.S., click here.) For additional information on coal issues in Wyoming, click here.
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If the best you can find to support your argument is Wyoming then let's see:
Current installed capacity in Wyoming: 26% of Wyoming’s electricity in 2024 came from renewables. Wyoming currently operates over 3 GW of wind capacity, with more than 9.7 GW in planning—making it second in the U.S. in proposed wind capacity.
Please note that all the AI datacentres operators (Microsoft, Meta etc) have all committed to net zero. Microsoft is building nuclear generators and they invest in CCS and also buy carbon credits to offset their carbon footprints.
| Energy Source | % of Total Electricity (2024) | Notes |
|---|---|---|
| Coal | ~59.6% | Still dominant but declining |
| Wind | ~22.8% | Leading renewable source (~90% of renewables) |
| Natural Gas | ~13.3% | Fossil fuel backup |
| Hydro | ~2.2% | Small, federal dams |
| Solar | ~1% | Small but growing (Sweetwater & South Cheyenne farms) |
| Other Renewables | ~0.1–0.2% | Negligible contributions from other gases/petroleum |
"Committed, planned, Projected, expected, envisaged...bla bla bla".
How many actually BUILT?
Nil , ta.
"Wyoming produces about 12 times more energy than it consumes, and it is the fourth-largest net energy supplier among the states" eia.gov US
Why do we think they do that?
Could it be that all they have is Coal and so they generate leccy with it, sell it to neighbouring States so that the neighbours can Virtue Signal? Y, cheers
2, TWO, 1 China, 1 in Russia, No others in operation
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They also have a lot of wind.
The important fact is once established, on shore wind farms produce cheapest electricity.
Wind Increases with altitude.
Wyoming state has a high mean elevation, with an average of around 6,700 feet (2,040 meters) above sea level, the second highest of any U.S. state.
Wyoming is windy and during the winter there are frequent periods when the wind reaches 30 to 40 mph with gusts of 50 or 60 mph (ranks 1st in the US with an annual average wind speed of 12.9 mph). This status has created a humorous notoriety for the state (Figure 11.1). Prevailing wind direction varies from west-southwest through west to northwest and is somewhat determined by local terrain. In many localities, winds are so strong and constant from those directions that trees show a definite lean towards the east. Many wind farms have been established over southern Wyoming in places such as Arlington89, Medicine Bow, Rock River, near Evanston, and just south of Cheyenne in order to take advantage of this important renewable energy resource.
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I also have a lot of wind..
But I don't boast about it!
Keep the Home (60% Coal) Fires burning
here's something closer to home.
Happy dunkelflaute
Is the price of American LNG used in UK/Ireland to generate electricity about to rise? :-/
"Windmills "
"Windmills "
Do you know that more than 9 out of 10 new electricity generation projects in the world are either wind or solar? The reason is simple. Besides waiting for grid connection, current lead time for new turbines.is about 5-6 years. Wind and solar farms don't need turbines.
Losers, no windmills, do not pass GO, do not collect €35M
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Wind farm company loses €35m State bond - Connacht Tribune - Galway City Tribune
Wind farm company loses €35m State bond
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No more free lunches, gotta pay your way greenies!
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Trump’s Clean Energy Law Sends Insurance Costs Soaring | OilPrice.com
Several reinsurers have cut U.S. offshore wind exposure, pushing project risks and premiums higher.
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Yeah, windmills and solar flaps are so cheap..
"Energia will increase its home electricity prices by up to 12.1 per cent from October 9th."
UP TO
Ordinary customers up 10.9%
SMART METER customers up 12.1%
Not so smart now?
www.breakingnews.ie
"Energia will increase its home electricity prices by up to 12.1 per cent from October 9th."
UP TO
Ordinary customers up 10.9%
SMART METER customers up 12.1%
Not so smart now?
Energia to bring in 'hefty increase' to electricity prices from next month | BreakingNews
Daragh Cassidy of Bonkers.ie said the high prices we are now paying for energy appear to be the new normal.
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The Sceirde Rocks wind farm project was hampered by local geology and sometimes very rough weather. It may proceed one day but is too technically challenging at the moment.Losers, no windmills, do not pass GO, do not collect €35M
Wind farm company loses €35m State bond - Connacht Tribune - Galway City Tribune
Wind farm company loses €35m State bond
Trump is wielding a wrecking ball through ignorance. I guess he will have to do a taco on this next year. There is no way he can revive the oil and gas industry. It's like tobacco, incredibly profitable for the shareholders but generates few jobs and have a high indirect cost on the health of the population.No more free lunches, gotta pay your way greenies!
Trump’s Clean Energy Law Sends Insurance Costs Soaring | OilPrice.com
Several reinsurers have cut U.S. offshore wind exposure, pushing project risks and premiums higher.
LNG brought to us by Newkleer powered tanker..
How's that for low emissions, lower cost, fuelling about?
Or is it in the wrong thread? Hehe
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How's that for low emissions, lower cost, fuelling about?
Or is it in the wrong thread? Hehe
Korea approves world-first LNG carrier powered by molten salt reactor
Korean engineers have developed the world's first approved liquefied natural gas vessel powered by a molten salt reactor.
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