The Bosch drive system
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That Haibike Enduro high-torque off-roader is a serious competitor to the BikeTec Flyer X bike, similar advantages but under half the price. Only disadvantage is that battery at about half the capacity, but the price difference makes it worth buying a spare.
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The battery is 36 Volt 8 Ah, 288 Wh. Doesn't that compare reasonably well with the Panasonic 24 Volt 10 Ah, 240 Wh battery?
Exciting looking bikes!
Yes it’s a pity Bosch have opted for only an 8Ah battery. It says in the spec, an optional second battery can be fitted. Not sure where the second battery goes; and I can’t see any prices for the batteries.
I noticed in a video clip of the system, that the batteries are made in France.
Chris
I noticed in a video clip of the system, that the batteries are made in France.
Chris
The Flyer X-bike I compare it with has a 15 Ah battery though, currently changing to 16 Ah, albeit 26 volts. Although in watt hour terms comparable, in the nature of things the Bosch voltage advantage will go in power/torque, not range.
That's why i suggested a second battery to ensure the enjoyment of that bike offroad isn't curtailed prematurely.
As you say, exciting looking, and at these prices competitive with other high end makes, with the unique offroader especially beating the competition.
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Do we have any info on prices, I couldn't see anything?
The neat drive unit and in-frame battery keep the geometry of the frame nicely conventional. Although it's no real detriment to the bike, I've never been keen on the deformed back end which is created by placing the battery outside of the frame. Such as with the Panasonic unit.
I will look forward, with interest, to see how this Bosch unit shapes up in service.
Its in the last link. The offroad is £2.7K and the Trekking is £2.2K.
Quite a lot of money but comparable with other high end ebikes as flecc states.
Supprisingly, according to the specs, the offroad is lighter.
For the Trekking I would prefer to see a hub gear.
Regards
Jerry
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Yes, I'm a big fan of hub gears on electric bikes, especially crank driven ones. It would have been nice to have seen them on this range of bikes.
Thanks for the pricing info.
Well I think they make the Kalkhoffs and the like look VERY old fashioned......
while i appreciate the off road vid is in the hands of a professional rider, the step climbing vid makes the bike look pretty nimble, powerful and light
So if the battery is 288 watt what kind of mileage would you get? if 20'ish that might be enough for me.
would love to know the weight, no details so far.......
while i appreciate the off road vid is in the hands of a professional rider, the step climbing vid makes the bike look pretty nimble, powerful and light
So if the battery is 288 watt what kind of mileage would you get? if 20'ish that might be enough for me.
would love to know the weight, no details so far.......
Really like the look of the Trekking model - just a wee question - any thoughts as to why the frame has a "kink" or bend in it i.e. the pole leading up to the saddle?
I would have thought a straight bar would be a stronger alternative and the post doesn't seem to be bending to avoid any piece of equipment
I would have thought a straight bar would be a stronger alternative and the post doesn't seem to be bending to avoid any piece of equipment
The kink is probably just a fashion thing. It would appear that manufacturers feel the need to re-invent the bicycle from time to time.
Realistically some riders might get down to about 20 miles, but most should get over 25 miles. Offroad the consumption can be very high in mileage terms of course, if riding some very tough sections at low speeds and high power.
Weights are 20.4 kilos for the offroad, 22.6 kilos for the more fully equipped road version.
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Just spoke to James at Just bikes re the bikes.....Trying to post on here as he was a member before.
the endura FS can be fitted with rear rack, mudguards and lights and Marathon plus tyres.....will wait and see some real world reviews and what the other Bosch bikes are like...but the inverted crank has got to be a winner!
would fit on a cheaper motorhome rack as well.....In some of the you tube videos it does seem emit a fair bit of noise though
Edit: German Pedelec forum has a 150 page discussion on these bikes. have read a bit but got to go to Birmingham......noise is mentioned and very good hill climbing as well
the endura FS can be fitted with rear rack, mudguards and lights and Marathon plus tyres.....will wait and see some real world reviews and what the other Bosch bikes are like...but the inverted crank has got to be a winner!
would fit on a cheaper motorhome rack as well.....In some of the you tube videos it does seem emit a fair bit of noise though
Edit: German Pedelec forum has a 150 page discussion on these bikes. have read a bit but got to go to Birmingham......noise is mentioned and very good hill climbing as well
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Yes a few interesting videos kicking about including this one
YouTube - HAIBIKE eQ Xduro FS
PS How do you embed video on here ?
Regards
Jerry
YouTube - HAIBIKE eQ Xduro FS
PS How do you embed video on here ?
Regards
Jerry
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yes I always loved the Bosh Electric Bike Drive, I love the way it looks and I think it will be a very serious competition for Panasonic drive, don't you think?
Yes, I'd be nervous about this first version, coming as it does from a firm knowing nothing about bicycles.
The Panasonic system by comparison was created as a result of them being a long established and experienced bicycle manufacturer, but even then version 1 did have the odd problems.
The current Panasonic system sets the standard for silence and reliability, and it's a hard act to follow. Nonetheless, it's good to see the competition from Bosch and Daum and no doubt they will improve.
However, that off road Haibike is tempting, lacking any competition at it's price for a mid motor, competent looking offroader, and a little noise probably isn't a problem for most in that application.
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The Panasonic system by comparison was created as a result of them being a long established and experienced bicycle manufacturer, but even then version 1 did have the odd problems.
The current Panasonic system sets the standard for silence and reliability, and it's a hard act to follow. Nonetheless, it's good to see the competition from Bosch and Daum and no doubt they will improve.
However, that off road Haibike is tempting, lacking any competition at it's price for a mid motor, competent looking offroader, and a little noise probably isn't a problem for most in that application.
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