I've decided it's not fast enough so I've ordered a couple more batteries to up the speed to 25mph.

 

But my asthmatic tortoise who smokes twenty cigarets a day would still be faster and able to go further than you on this.......

 

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.....in fact, if I get him one he can go to the shops and buy his own cigarets.

Edited February 4, 201214 yr by tillson

Talking about Illegal bikes, would anyone (ie say a police officer ) have any idea that I had taken my little sensor screwy thing off the rear wheel ?

So its now not restricted to 15mph......but if stopped would they know that, seeing as the motor etc is legal ??

Or would I have time to quickly screw it back ?

Should I carry it with me just in case ?

 

Not that I intend doing anything illegal, least, not this week, but would that bit missing make it illegal AND be easily discovered ?

 

Lynda

It makes it illegal if the assist speed can exceed 17 mph absolute maximum. Only a police officer who knows your model will detect that missing magnet. The only way you may get caught on the speed issue is if the police test the bike and find it's assist speed is excessive.

 

However, your bike is illegal in Spain anyway, since it can run on throttle only, illegal throughout all of mainland Europe. Any police officer could easily detect that's the case, though the risk is low in Spain since e-bikes are not widespread there yet so there's not much police familiarity with EU pedelec law.

Well....thats not much of a risk then !

I cant remember now how fast mine goes assisted without the screw, and its too cold at the moment to even want to find out

Just as well Im not in Spain....and only ride there occasionally, but as you say, the police there wouldnt have a clue anyway.

 

Lynda

Talking about Illegal bikes, would anyone (ie say a police officer ) have any idea that I had taken my little sensor screwy thing off the rear wheel ?

 

They will now that you have told us. Keep quiet about what you have done, that's the key to the future of ilegal eBiking.

Ooops..........actually, of course, I was just kidding......obviously we all know that to make an e- bike go faster we just have to pedal more.....screw ? ....what screw..... ROFLOL

 

Lynda

I'm building a two stage throttle for mine, in the first mode the throttle does upto 16mph then you have to "do something else" to get it to go up to 25mph. The odds of someone else figuring out that "something" else are slim to none, and no, I wont be publishing it on the internet.

 

Edited February 4, 201214 yr by amigafan2003

I'm building a two stage throttle for mine, in the first mode the throttle does upto 16mph then you have to "do something else" to get it to go up to 25mph. The odds of someone else figuring out that "something" else are slim to none, and no, I wont be publishing it on the internet.

 

 

Or maybe having some speed limitation from the controller or a Cycle Analyst/Speedict. Easy to switch between 15 mph to 25 mph.

You can do this sort of thing with the controllers from e-crazyman. Controllers, like many others support a three way programable speed switch that works 'live' to set speed but its also possible to program the switch to only work after a power cycle. So the switch could be hidden somewhere on the bike and easily flicked to any 'safe' position as needed...

Trouble is, as with a current case, the police confiscate a bike on suspicion so that their traffic department can examine it thoroughly. Not being totally daft, they'd find switching methods in most cases.

Trouble is, as with a current case, the police confiscate a bike on suspicion so that their traffic department can examine it thoroughly. Not being totally daft, they'd find switching methods in most cases.

 

Trust me, they won't find this one :-)

 

As an aside, my vehicle locks itself when I walk away from it

Not been reading the entire thread (sorry only pop in here now n then) but presume all the bikes we purchase in the UK are within EU limits then? ie, my Hungarian one should surely be conforming.....?

With the Speedict, you can limit the speed. I tried out mine today and it works perfectly. As long as you aren't incapacitated yourself, it would be easy to set the speed restriction after the event, and then, when they took the bike away for examining, it would have a max speed of 15mph. In fact you could be re-programming it from your phone while they were taking it away, or even while it was in the pound (as long as it's still switched on) and they'd have no way of knowing or proving otherwise. Plus one to the Speedict!

With the Speedict, you can limit the speed. I tried out mine today and it works perfectly. As long as you aren't incapacitated yourself, it would be easy to set the speed restriction after the event, and then, when they took the bike away for examining, it would have a max speed of 15mph. In fact you could be re-programming it from your phone while they were taking it away, or even while it was in the pound (as long as it's still switched on) and they'd have no way of knowing or proving otherwise. Plus one to the Speedict!

 

 

Doesn't this device also record all of the parameters which might be somewhat of an own goal.

With the Speedict, you can limit the speed. I tried out mine today and it works perfectly. As long as you aren't incapacitated yourself, it would be easy to set the speed restriction after the event, and then, when they took the bike away for examining, it would have a max speed of 15mph. In fact you could be re-programming it from your phone while they were taking it away, or even while it was in the pound (as long as it's still switched on) and they'd have no way of knowing or proving otherwise. Plus one to the Speedict!

 

 

 

Very devious and very clever !!

 

Love that idea of communicating with my bike by phone as its wheeled away !!

(Obviously would prefer it not to be impounded by the police ! But nice to know I

could still chat to her whilst she was being examined )

 

Lynda

Doesn't this device also record all of the parameters which might be somewhat of an own goal.

 

Absolutely...And all these assumptions that the police are stupid are frankly laughable and childish. all they would have to do is look on the speedict website to find spec and if performance adjustable the bike isn't legal is it? Surely a bit like the green button on wisper which they had to remove to get bikes to conform to the law.......

Edited February 5, 201214 yr by eddieo

Absolutely...And all these assumptions that the police are stupid are frankly laughable and childish. all they would have to do is look on the speedict website to find spec and if performance adjustable the bike isn't legal is it? Surely a bit like the green button on wisper which they had to remove to get bikes to conform to the law.......

 

As long as the bike is restricted to 15 mph with a speedict, doesn't that make the bike legal? You just need a bike with a speed limitation of 15 mph on public road. But nothing prevent you from having the same bike going at 30 mph off-road isn't it?

As long as the bike is restricted to 15 mph with a speedict, doesn't that make the bike legal? You just need a bike with a speed limitation of 15 mph on public road. But nothing prevent you from having the same bike going at 30 mph off-road isn't it?

 

Good point !

 

Lynda

As long as the bike is restricted to 15 mph with a speedict, doesn't that make the bike legal? You just need a bike with a speed limitation of 15 mph on public road. But nothing prevent you from having the same bike going at 30 mph off-road isn't it?

 

I dont think so....As if it can be adjusted it does not conform with the EN regs, so no longer an e bike exempt from the law.

 

If that was the case, I could have a switch on my wisper offering two modes? sport off road and street legal mode, but this has been made abundantly clear is illegal so any sort of means off adjustment, must surely be as well?

 

anyway if you are observed by a witness travelling at speed or involved in an accident, it wont take the police techs long to find out that the bike is illegal I would think

Edited February 5, 201214 yr by eddieo

I dont think so....As if it can be adjusted it does not conform with the EN regs, so no longer an e bike exempt from the law.

 

If that was the case, I could have a switch on my wisper offering two modes? sport off road and street legal mode, but this has been made abundantly clear is illegal so any sort of means off adjustment, must surely be as well?

 

anyway if you are observed by a witness travelling at speed or involved in an accident, it wont take the police techs long to find out that the bike is illegal I would think

 

Or anyther tip would to use a double voltage system with 2 harness I was thinking about:

- Have 4 lipo of 18.5V8AH each

- Use a harness to connect them in series for off road use at 74V8AH

- Use another harness to connect them in parallel for public road use AT 37V16AH

 

When then check, just use the harness to quickly switch to the parallel setup at 15 mph.

 

So when they check, the speed will be limited to 15 mph whatever the police tech guys are trying to do.

 

ps: Of course, they can plug another battery for higher voltage, but they can do that for any bike too. The only suspicion would be the controller and motor that would be able to handle much more voltage. But I suppose most ebike system can handle more voltage than the specified one for security

Edited February 5, 201214 yr by cwah

Not been reading the entire thread (sorry only pop in here now n then) but presume all the bikes we purchase in the UK are within EU limits then? ie, my Hungarian one should surely be conforming.....?

 

Yes, virtually all the standard bikes are legal, and your Gepida certainly is, it's Yamaha unit conforming in every respect to EU law.

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Or anyther tip would to use a double voltage system with 2 harness I was thinking about:

- Have 4 lipo of 18.5V8AH each

- Use a harness to connect them in series for off road use at 74V8AH

- Use another harness to connect them in parallel for public road use AT 37V16AH

 

When then check, just use the harness to quickly switch to the parallel setup at 15 mph.

 

So when they check, the speed will be limited to 15 mph whatever the police tech guys are trying to do.

 

ps: Of course, they can plug another battery for higher voltage, but they can do that for any bike too. The only suspicion would be the controller and motor that would be able to handle much more voltage. But I suppose most ebike system can handle more voltage than the specified one for security

 

All very well, but what if you are lying on the ground with a broken whatever, and bike under a car..what then?

 

Like that old saying that I cant remember right now, about being fine to drive home with one drink over the limit then someone hits you.

In that case I'll crawl to the car to switch the harness before I loose conscience...

 

No, more seriously I'd be seriously screwed.. Lol

Edited February 5, 201214 yr by cwah

As long as the bike is restricted to 15 mph with a speedict, doesn't that make the bike legal? You just need a bike with a speed limitation of 15 mph on public road. But nothing prevent you from having the same bike going at 30 mph off-road isn't it?

 

No it doesn't make the bike legal. The law is quite clear, the bike itself has to control the assist speed limitation in all circumstances. Alteration by an external means under the control of the operator is illegal, being remote is irrelevant.

Doesn't this device also record all of the parameters which might be somewhat of an own goal.

Only if you connect the speed sensor, which is optional. Plus, would they know what it was and how to get data out. I would guess that their first test would be the speed test - not disassembly of the bike.

 

Also, you can delete all the data from it using your mobile phone while they wheel it away.

 

Plus, the Speedict keeps a rolling 24 hrs worth of data. Just leave it connected to the battery, and by the time they try to get any data out it'll all be over-written with zeros.