Believe me, you're missing nothing. It's worthless 'form over function' soundbite trash.

 

Yep even though I obviously like the NEO I have yet to see a truly objective test on the Gadget show. You must also rememeber the target audience who are always going to go for the exciting over the practical and so review from that point of view. Not that I think the xtrme is impractical just that I can see for certain applications/users the kalkhoff is the better choice. Bit like reviewing a Ferrari and a Range Rover.

Edited November 20, 201213 yr by GaRRy

My we are a miserable middle aged lot, just like Chimpanzees apparently! Give Polly her due she did the bungee jump and Jason wimped out...

My we are a miserable middle aged lot

 

Middle age must be getting longer all the time, at 76 I'm now wondering when my old age is going to start.

Old age is all in the mind Flecc............................and the knees, hips, back!

The point is, a presenter on a technical programme that obviously doesn't know what a Watt-hour or a kiloWatt-hour is, is a bloody liability.

I think she was chosen for her looks, not brains. The other one's got the brains, but is ugly, so perhaps it overall balances out, to be fair.

 

I think you're being a little bit unfair. Sure, she was brought in to add a bit of glamour to the show, but she doesn't do a bad job. The KwH was just a slip. Anybody can make a mistake like that. The main point she made was that the bike can go a long way on one charge, which is entirely correct.

 

That bungee jump looked scary with all the concrete around. She must have some guts.

That bungee jump looked scary with all the concrete around. She must have some guts.

 

For sure she has, but the motivation of a fat salary and knowledge of the size of the insurance policy on her helps!

the 'guts' were very prettily displayed from a front view.......nice

 

and if flecc is anything to go by, my 72 years are early middle age

That Kalkhoff shows all the weaknesses of crank bikes.

 

The gear change is poor, it lacks power - possibly for fear of damaging the transmission - and it won't deliver what power it does have when the rider wants it.

 

Turning over a lower gear faster to climb a hill - as the lass did in the report - is the accepted way among cyclists of climbing.

 

But the bike wouldn't help her, which tells you all you need to know about the design integrity of the Kalkhoff.

 

If ever a bike needed a throttle it's this one.

That Kalkhoff shows all the weaknesses of crank bikes.

 

The gear change is poor, it lacks power - possibly for fear of damaging the transmission - and it won't deliver what power it does have when the rider wants it.

 

Turning over a lower gear faster to climb a hill - as the lass did in the report - is the accepted way among cyclists of climbing.

 

But the bike wouldn't help her, which tells you all you need to know about the design integrity of the Kalkhoff.

 

If ever a bike needed a throttle it's this one.

 

You cant blame the crank drive for the gear change. Thats the hub gear and is true for any bike with one not just a crank drive one.

 

Good to have a Anti-Eddie

Rob,

 

Me thinks this lady does not understand how to ride the bike.

 

The main assistance happens between gears 6 to 8. She was in gear 3 or 4 at best, for that hill she should go in 6 or 8 to get the most out of the bike. Her legs were going ten to the dozen. Looks like she jumped out of a dressing room, onto a bike and got home in time for coco.

 

The neo has a 'special' button to make it go in offroad mode upto 350W. The Agattu Impulse was the only UK fully road legal bike in the show. 50cycles should have sent them the BS10 to be on a level playing field

 

Thanks

 

Philip

 

May not know how to ride a Kalkhoff but the way she was riding spinning her legs is the modern recommended way of riding a normal bike up a hill.

 

Oh and the NEO does not have any 'special' off road button and I should know as I own two of them so it was a level playing field at least from that point of view.

 

Me thinks this lady does not understand how to ride the bike.

 

The neo has a 'special' button to make it go in offroad mode upto 350W. The Agattu Impulse was the only UK fully road legal bike in the show. 50cycles should have sent them the BS10 to be on a level playing field

 

 

The Agattu is one of the very best; tried and tested many times in various countries by specialist journalists who know something about decent electric bikes. I'm not sure that the credentials of the few knockers amount to very much anyway. The Agattu is just about perfect for the typical UK ebike demographic and if you're one for doing off-road stuff, there are much better competitors for the Neo.

 

The choices for the comparative test by the TV company were a bit "apples and pears" really and I wonder who their consultant is on ebike matters. I suspect they don't have one and simply rely on a staff researcher to come with the means to produce a show, whatever the subject might be.

 

Now, I really like the BS10 but it is slightly illegal and the MPG isn't very good if you exploit its power. Unfortunately, slightly illegal is like slightly pregnant!

 

Indalo

Beeping country locked video's, anyone know of a link that may work from Australia?

 

Have you tried downloading 'exPat shield ' ?

It hides your IP address and allows me to watch iPlayer, for example, outside of the UK.

 

Dont know about Oz but its worth a go, should be OK......its totally safe Ive been using it for a long time whilst abroad without problems

 

Lynda

I suspect most of the people saying how great the Kalkhoff is have never ridden the Neo, which is a lot lighter and has a much stronger motor.

JMHO..Not the ideal platform ( a 'Gadget Show') for demonstrating Electric Bikes as an alternative form of transport......

That Kalkhoff shows all the weaknesses of crank bikes.

 

The gear change is poor, it lacks power - possibly for fear of damaging the transmission - and it won't deliver what power it does have when the rider wants it.

 

Turning over a lower gear faster to climb a hill - as the lass did in the report - is the accepted way among cyclists of climbing.

 

But the bike wouldn't help her, which tells you all you need to know about the design integrity of the Kalkhoff.

 

If ever a bike needed a throttle it's this one.

 

The above is a highly misleading and totally untrue post based on little or no fact. Anyone considering a crank drive bike should ignore it and try one for themselves.

 

I own a Kalkhoff and have done so for 4 1/2 years and close to 12000 miles. I'm not being, "protective" of my purchase decision but I have to say that these bikes have an enormousness amount of hill climbing ability, plenty of speed and faultless transmission in terms of gears, chain and sprockets. The Alfine hub gear developed an annoying slip for a few days which may have been due to poor adjustment on my part, but apart from that its been perfect for 12000 miles and still is. The original chain and sprockets lasted close to 10000 miles before needing replacement and the Panasonic motor has never missed a beat. Oh, and the original 10Ah 24v battery still gives me in excess of 40 miles range. A testimony to the efficiency of the Panasonic motor and the crank drive concept.

 

Again, I have no particular allegiance to Kalkhoff, but someone who is considering one shouldn't be put off by the false statements made in RobF's post.

 

I don't know what RobF has based his report on, but I suspect that it's hearsay rather than ownership experience.

Edited November 21, 201213 yr by tillson

Thanks Waspy, any current TV content from any other country always comes up not available in your area.

Rob,

 

Me thinks this lady does not understand how to ride the bike.

 

It takes a few days of riding to really understand why everyone raves about these bikes. But once you get it, it really goes like the clappers come what may. Mid November and I am still out, unbelievable.

 

The main assistance happens between gears 6 to 8. She was in gear 3 or 4 at best, for that hill she should go in 6 or 8 to get the most out of the bike. Her legs were going ten to the dozen. Looks like she jumped out of a dressing room, onto a bike and got home in time for coco.

 

The neo has a 'special' button to make it go in offroad mode upto 350W. The Agattu Impulse was the only UK fully road legal bike in the show. 50cycles should have sent them the BS10 to be on a level playing field

 

Thanks

 

Philip

 

I don't normally comment on other members posts and respect the right to an opinion,but i have to state that the information in this above post is incorrect.

 

The Emotion Neo range are all fully road legal in the U.K-there is no "Offroad" mode or button.

The only non-U.K legal bike in the Neo range,is the Neo Nitro -Strictly for Private Land!

The Emotion Neo range are all fully road legal in the U.K-there is no "Offroad" mode or button.

 

Forgive the tease Martin, but:

 

Rope a Powacycle Salisbury and a BH Neo together back to back and get the equal ability riders to set off together.

 

The Neo will probably tow the Salisbury backwards against it's "power".

 

They are both UK legal 250 watt e-bikes, work that one out

 

Truly we live in a strange world.

No,i do understand that it is a very powerful bike compared to some others,and i know it often exceeds 250w of nominal power(as do all others at that rating)....just wanted to point out that there was no cheat as such,and is a legal bike on the road.

Of course Martin, and who am I to complain, owning a UK legal bike that has over 1000 watts gross power!

No,i do understand that it is a very powerful bike compared to some others,and i know it often exceeds 250w of nominal power(as do all others at that rating)....just wanted to point out that there was no cheat as such,and is a legal bike on the road.

It doesn't matter howpowerful it is. It has an EN15194 certificate, which certifies it as legal. That's all you need.

The above is a highly misleading and totally untrue post based on little or no fact. Anyone considering a crank drive bike should ignore it and try one for themselves.

 

I own a Kalkhoff and have done so for 4 1/2 years and close to 12000 miles. I'm not being, "protective" of my purchase decision but I have to say that these bikes have an enormousness amount of hill climbing ability, plenty of speed and faultless transmission in terms of gears, chain and sprockets. The Alfine hub gear developed an annoying slip for a few days which may have been due to poor adjustment on my part, but apart from that its been perfect for 12000 miles and still is. The original chain and sprockets lasted close to 10000 miles before needing replacement and the Panasonic motor has never missed a beat. Oh, and the original 10Ah 24v battery still gives me in excess of 40 miles range. A testimony to the efficiency of the Panasonic motor and the crank drive concept.

 

Again, I have no particular allegiance to Kalkhoff, but someone who is considering one shouldn't be put off by the false statements made in RobF's post.

 

I don't know what RobF has based his report on, but I suspect that it's hearsay rather than ownership experience.

 

Are you seriously trying to tell me the Kalkhoff in the clip climbed well?

 

It came second, a poor second, in a contest of two.

 

I thought the battery was flat.

Are you seriously trying to tell me the Kalkhoff in the clip climbed well?

 

It came second, a poor second, in a contest of two.

 

I thought the battery was flat.

 

You do continuously quote quite unsubstantiated comments - look at your earlier post regarding crank drive bikes then your "demolition" job on the Kalkhoff which is a machine I have tried HAVE YOU . I could continue with citing negative snide comments . If you are unable to substantiate your claims PLEASE stop trolling

You do continuously quote quite unsubstantiated comments - look at your earlier post regarding crank drive bikes then your "demolition" job on the Kalkhoff which is a machine I have tried HAVE YOU . I could continue with citing negative snide comments . If you are unable to substantiate your claims PLEASE stop trolling

 

 

Gordonal,

 

Have you looked at the clip?

 

If you think that Kalkhoff performs well in it, fine.

 

We disagree.

Gordonal,

 

Have you looked at the clip?

 

If you think that Kalkhoff performs well in it, fine.

 

We disagree.

Why do i need to look at the clip I have tried albeit briefly both bikes , the fact is that the lady was struggling was down to her not the bike . I have been close to buying Kalkhoff bikes before,there is nothing inherently wrong with them at all.

 

Alan