May 6, 20169 yr That demands logic, so no chance. Look at this example of the thinking of governments: Pedelec, maximum assist speed 15.5 mph - No helmet wearing required. Low Powered Moped, maximum assist speed 15.5 mph - Must wear full motorcycle helmet. S class pedelec, maximum assist speed 28 mph but able to be pedalled faster - Only cycle helmet necessary. E-Moped, maximum speed 28 mph and cannot go faster - Must wear full motorcycle helmet. . Who said any of our laws makes sense !
May 6, 20169 yr There is sense in, a limited assist cycle is the same as a bicycle. Mine is legal I've 25kph 250 watt motor. I can now out distance the majority of cyclists up hill and the bike is inherently quick elsewhere. If i needed to go faster my car has a 1.6 Diesel engine. I can cycle on cycle paths and roads as I wish. The law makes sense as a this will help the elderly and sick get on bikes. If you want a moped buy one.
May 6, 20169 yr flecc,the above looks like you are saying S pedelecs are legal.Can you edit it to say We wish. This isn't a solely UK site and we have many international members, particularly in the EU, so I post with that in mind. So I wouldn't use we. Instead, where I used "governments" (plural), I've added "for EU countries" to make it clear. .
May 6, 20169 yr Flecc. Too right...some are from a different planet... But the national governments are far from being the worst, local government is far worse. For example, the state laws in the USA have created a chaotic mess of e-bike law, as you can read in this previous post of mine. They're not alone either, other countries with state law are doing the same, making crossing a state boundary rather risky. .
May 6, 20169 yr flecc,the above looks like you are saying S pedelecs are legal.Can you edit it to say We wish. Thread title says "overseas" so as they are legal no problem.
May 6, 20169 yr They're not alone either, other countries with state law are doing the same, making crossing a state boundary rather risky. . I have to carry a helmet with me at all times just in case I decide at the last minute to pop over...
May 6, 20169 yr Are S pedelecs legal in France ?? The intention is to legalise the S class in France from 1st January 2017, making them the third EU country, plus Switzerland outside the EU, to legalise them. .
May 6, 20169 yr yes Not yet Trex, see above. Currently I think they are treated as a form of moped. .
May 6, 20169 yr Surel.y the easiest way is to take a light weight moped ~ something like the old Honda P50 with engine in the rear wheel and just swap it for an electric motor. Still has to be submitted for SVA though, since it has to go into a new registration class. But one would imagine as the donor vehicle is legal it should be a formality.
May 6, 20169 yr If its all ready a L1e-B and your changing the motor to one under 4kw it does not mater what type of motor.I thought a L1e-a had to be electric,it says in the legislation it does not mater what type of motor it is. Sent from my D101 using Tapatalk
May 6, 20169 yr But one would imagine as the donor vehicle is legal it should be a formality. You,d think so but afraid not. If its deemed engine change changes class ( which it must do here???) you,d have to go through msva.. But worth a try, I,ve said it before but we found stations way more amenable than the actual rules..go and speak with one.. There is a category RAV ( radically altered vehicle) with less stringent rules but think its more for rebodying lorries/ vans ( ie if you changed a Transit into a pick up) Completely off topic but...we had a nightmare putting a brand new ( with all emission test past) motorbike engine into a Westfield..Had to re SVA it....failed emissions 4 times.. We were setting it up to pass bike test ...car test different ? Don't ask me why ??? No idea..( didn't need cat in bike but did in car !!! Hows that make sense!)
May 6, 20169 yr If its all ready a L1e-B and your changing the motor to one under 4kw it does not mater what type of motor.I thought a L1e-a had to be electric,it says in the legislation it does not mater what type of motor it is. No, you still have to go through SVA as Flud says. Its not only a technical matter, there is a re-registration and VED difference that has to be accounted for. For example, as a petrol vehicle VED was payable, but as an electric, it isn't. .
May 6, 20169 yr Here you have to go to the Drire control station to have the Carte Grise modified as you are changing energy. As long as you are under 4 kW nominative it is still a moped in the eyes of the law.
May 6, 20169 yr One does wonder how some of the top gear specials were legal. I am sure they have done at least one conversation to electric.
May 6, 20169 yr One does wonder how some of the top gear specials were legal. I am sure they have done at least one conversation to electric. Since I've seen them break the laws on road usage and vehicle types a number of times, I doubt they cared. Channel 5's Gadget Show is just as bad in this respect. .
May 7, 20169 yr Looking on the bright side, I'm really pleased with my electric bike and wouldn't be without it. If you have a motorbike capable of 150 mph you can still only do 70 on public roads for obvious reasons. Although we wouldn't career into pedestrian and other cyclist at 30 mph, some might. I need to resign myself that the speed limitations make sense. But I can't help being a speed freak though, I've even customised my rotorvator. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
May 7, 20169 yr Looking on the bright side, I'm really pleased with my electric bike and wouldn't be without it. If you have a motorbike capable of 150 mph you can still only do 70 on public roads for obvious reasons. Although we wouldn't career into pedestrian and other cyclist at 30 mph, some might. I need to resign myself that the speed limitations make sense. But I can't help being a speed freak though, I've even customised my rotorvator. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Photos of the custom rotovator please
May 30, 20169 yr No, you still have to go through SVA as Flud says. Its not only a technical matter, there is a re-registration and VED difference that has to be accounted for. For example, as a petrol vehicle VED was payable, but as an electric, it isn't. . Just been done over on endless sphere.MT 50 road legal conversion.Fill in section 7 of the v5 and letter explaining what you have done. Sent from my D101 using Tapatalk
May 30, 20169 yr Just been done over on endless sphere.MT 50 road legal conversion.Fill in section 7 of the v5 and letter explaining what you have done. Sent from my D101 using Tapatalk Seems like they are ignoring their own rules if they don't follow that up. It will be interesting to see if they still demand VED at the annual renewal date. As an electric none should be payable. .
May 30, 20169 yr Seems like they are ignoring their own rules if they don't follow that up. It will be interesting to see if they still demand VED at the annual renewal date. As an electric none should be payable. . They are following there rules.The v5 was sent back to him with a change of tax classification to electric.As I said before going up a tax bracket needs no prof ,you pay more tax.If you down rate you have to provide Prof.
May 31, 20169 yr They are following there rules.The v5 was sent back to him with a change of tax classification to electric.As I said before going up a tax bracket needs no prof ,you pay more tax.If you down rate you have to provide Prof. That's good, I'm glad that's the case. It wasn't the tax matter that I was concerned with, it was the technical aspect. It always used to be that a major change was subject to Vehicle Inspectorate inspection and approval, since the original type approved specification was no longer in place. Strictly speaking, even replacement parts are/were supposed to be only to the approved specification. This is making a nonsense of the requirement for new vehicle designs to be type approved if they can immediately be so drastically changed. No wonder they have been closing so many of their vehicle inspection centres, they aren't going to need them if these rules are no longer to be enforced. .
May 31, 20169 yr That's good, I'm glad that's the case. It wasn't the tax matter that I was concerned with, it was the technical aspect. It always used to be that a major change was subject to Vehicle Inspectorate inspection and approval, since the original type approved specification was no longer in place. Strictly speaking, even replacement parts are/were supposed to be only to the approved specification. This is making a nonsense of the requirement for new vehicle designs to be type approved if they can immediately be so drastically changed. No wonder they have been closing so many of their vehicle inspection centres, they aren't going to need them if these rules are no longer to be enforced. . An engine swop has never needed a inspection.The SVA is for radically modified and unregistered vehicles.Strictly speaking a tow bar is a modification to the chassis.[emoji6]I my self can't understand it.V8 reliant OK.20 mph ebike the spawn of the devil.
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