The debate rages on and this absolutely valid

 

The views expounded are often forceful in both strength and length . This is equally valid

 

However, I do think there is a tendency to hijack/derail every thread

 

May I propose / suggest that we have a dedicated sticky thread devoted to this. After all the current situation ia set to remain till 2018 as a minimum

 

That thread can contain the debate which is great for other threads as well as the debate itself

 

The new sticky must be combined with a forum rule to do no more than signpost that thread .

 

I just want to keep the forum workable

 

 

. I do think the views and frequency of them are detracting the forum value

Debate? What debate? People build/buy street legal ebikes and use them legally. People build/buy more powerful, faster ebikes that can only be legally used on private land with no public access. What is there to debate?

Debate? What debate? People build/buy street legal ebikes and use them legally. People build/buy more powerful, faster ebikes that can only be legally used on private land with no public access. What is there to debate?

Did you read the OP?

 

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There is a debate, not on the legality but one on the morality, and it is one which just goes round and round so let it have its own place so the rest of us can ignore it.

I'm afraid this currently sums things up for me. http://www.pedelecs.co.uk/forum/threads/emtb-owners-photo-and-ride-thread.24089/page-3#post-306098 I've had enough.

 

 

Content of the above link, shown as I shall 'hopefully' be deleting it later, before yet another thread is ruined.

 

"Soundwave I formally request that you no longer post within this thread.

 

I'm now a few posts away from quitting this forum, and being blunt, it is solely down to you de railing threads, posting links, offering no explanation of said links or adding reasoning for them, not respecting my wishes by harping on about illegal bikes, and actively encouraging and recommending the use of.

 

I'm now off to complete an approximate 50 mile mixed road/off road ride from Crowborough to Eastbourne for a family party, taking in some of the South Downs and any bridleways that I happen upon along the way, and would hope that when I next check in that you have removed the above, and just accept that I don't want you derailing what is meant to be a useful ride and photo thread. Debate this somewhere else if you wish, but not here. I'm fed up of it.

 

I come on here to chill and relax, hopefully encourage others to get out and ride, and with seemingly every post, you are preventing this.

 

I'm removing this post later, and would prefer that no one debate this subject within this thread, but continue to post relevant photos and ride details."

Edited May 14, 20169 yr by EddiePJ

I'm afraid this currently sums things up for me. http://www.pedelecs.co.uk/forum/threads/emtb-owners-photo-and-ride-thread.24089/page-3#post-306098 I've had enough.

YUP! Pretty much says it all Eddie

Did you read the OP?

 

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Yes, yes I did.

I'm afraid this currently sums things up for me. http://www.pedelecs.co.uk/forum/threads/emtb-owners-photo-and-ride-thread.24089/page-3#post-306098 I've had enough.

 

 

Content of the above link, shown as I shall 'hopefully' be deleting it later, before yet another thread is ruined.

 

"Soundwave I formally request that you no longer post within this thread.

 

I'm now a few posts away from quitting this forum, and being blunt, it is solely down to you de railing threads, posting links, offering no explanation of said links or adding reasoning for them, not respecting my wishes by harping on about illegal bikes, and actively encouraging and recommending the use of.

 

I'm now off to complete an approximate 50 mile mixed road/off road ride from Crowborough to Eastbourne for a family party, taking in some of the South Downs and any bridleways that I happen upon along the way, and would hope that when I next check in that you have removed the above, and just accept that I don't want you derailing what is meant to be a useful ride and photo thread. Debate this somewhere else if you wish, but not here. I'm fed up of it.

 

I come on here to chill and relax, hopefully encourage others to get out and ride, and with seemingly every post, you are preventing this.

 

I'm removing this post later, and would prefer that no one debate this subject within this thread, but continue to post relevant photos and ride details."

 

I'm pretty new to this forum, but can the moderators not be asked to remove the content if it doesn't comply with forum rules? And possibly ban someone of they keep infringing?

 

Or is there an ignore feature?

 

In any case I don't want you to leave here, you probably have the support of the majority and are a valuable contributor!

 

Have a good ride

I have to admit I'm one of the first to bite when these threads appear(my bike is not even dongled as I think there fast enough anyway for me in my advancing years) however I don't understand why they keep popping up every so often because at the end of the day it's all about choice if they want to go faster good luck to them and now we a dedicated forum for s-pedelecs and a sticky in regards to the legality of dongles etc which I think is a good thing and enough,but the moderators on this site need to act as well to delete the threads that cause the bickering and unfriendliness .

 

I hope that makes sense.

people who ride dongled bikes are lazy.

people who ride dongled bikes are lazy.

lol, that could be said for e bikes full stop.. or maybe we are just smarter than the average bear!

the choice of the smarter rider is this humble LED panel:

 

http://wooshbikes.co.uk/2014/gale/mini/display.jpg

 

no sudden cut off of assistance whilst staying completely legal.

Everybody knows where I stand on issue, just don't think we should be openly discussing anything that puts our current priviliges to use pedelecs where ever we want.

( ie dongled or any illegal bikes)

On the forum issue folk should be allowed to express any opinion without being insulted , patronised etc. ( comments aimed at Morphix and myself were in some instances disgraceful)

I like forum but do think links to illegal products,adverts for such ; advice to deresteict bikes and posting of basically stupid behaviour are damaging to our fledgling identity ..

Being mocked as myself and Morphix were for having these views is at best immature.

Totally agree with Eddie, excellent post.

We are allowing a minority of posters to give a distorted image of our community, an image that could quite easily damage our position.

 

On a practical note..wonder if on rides section of mtb we,d be better starting a new thread for each new area.Use area name for thread title and after a while we,ll have a sort of guide for rides ( with incredible pictures on Eddie,s) The single thread is getting long....only a thought.

Edited May 14, 20169 yr by (NoLongerRegistered#15675)

people who ride dongled bikes are lazy.

 

clueless tosh.

 

ETA, simply not true, a provocative post deserves another.

Edited May 14, 20169 yr by Artstu

just don't think we should be openly discussing anything that puts our current priviliges to use pedelecs where ever we want.

( ie dongled or any illegal bikes)

 

I hope you'll honour that in the future.

 

ETA. The forum will gain from such a stance I hope.

Edited May 14, 20169 yr by Artstu

artstu, in the above two posts you are demonstrating perfectly the malaise on this forum. Nothing constructive or witty about your comments.. just provocative.

the choice of the smarter rider is this humble LED panel:

 

http://wooshbikes.co.uk/2014/gale/mini/display.jpg

 

no sudden cut off of assistance whilst staying completely legal.

I would ay an lcd is smarter in that they have more power levels and therefore the possibility of better battery conservation

clueless tosh.

 

ETA, simply not true, a provocative deserves another.

artstu, your bike does not stop you to ride any way you like, it's just programmed to be within the law.

By using a dongle, you are avoiding the necessary physical effort when going faster than 27kph.

If you want to go fast, by all means do that with your own steam, just don't involve the manufacturers and the bike shops in it.

artstu, your bike does not stop you to ride any way you like, it's just programmed to be within the law. If you want to go fast, by all means do that with your own steam, just don't involve the manufacturers in it.

By using a dongle, you are avoiding the necessary physical effort when going faster than 27kph.

 

My bike is as standard, I don't condone the use of high speed bikes, but appreciate why some would choose to do so, and understand the way they behave having ridden one. My comment stands that it has nothing to do with being lazy.

how do you explain the reason why some members use a dongle if not to avoid the necessary physical effort when going over the speed limit?

how do you explain the reason why some members use a dongle if not to avoid the necessary physical effort when going over the speed limit?

 

Okay all ebike riders are lazy, you were right after all.

My bike is as standard, I don't condone the use of high speed bikes, but appreciate why some would choose to do so, and understand the way they behave having ridden one. My comment stands that it has nothing to do with being lazy.

I must say a friend after trying my revolver went out and bought an e bike . 500w despite my protestations. (he likes big numbers) I have ridden it and can see the fun in it but at the end of the day I rarely use the full 250w..so I'd rather have my range than top speed.

Also artstu rereading my above post I believe you could have seen that as provocative but it was meant to be constructive, honest.. no hard feelings I hope . It becomes all too easy to misconstrue things from behind a keyboard.

Regards

Am away out for a cycle now.. have a good day all

Eddie...I totally agree some 50% of the content of the forum seems now to be devoted to illegal bikes,almost,as though,the more postings about it the more it dilutes the degree of illegality.

The trouble is that in the reality of selling,there are a lot of customers who want illegals and don't see any chance of being prosecuted for using them.

The likes of Kalkhoff,Stromer and Bulls being widely sold by well recognised retailers adds credibility to the notion that the illegality is really only a minor issue.

In our London shop we had a whole family come along with 1000 watt e-bikes,when we explained that they are all illegal,the dad said yeh maybe,it's a grey area,anyway I don't care a .......!

It's sort of parallel with China,the Chinese government have pretty much ignored the limits until it became obvious that 17 year olds riding 4 kW bikes and 2000 plus deaths per year was just too much,now they are crushing them and destroying the e-bike industry at the same .

I must be honest and say that I keep picking up the brochure for a 48v x 500 watt e-bike,I tested one my last visit to China,it's a very fast bike,much faster than all these S-class bikes and would sell for about £1400 with good specification. We have discussions about buying them at Kudos,my staff talk me out of it because at some point there is going to be a bad accident with an illegal,the government will then have a knee jerk reaction and react like the Chinese to rid the country of them,Sod's law that will happen the moment I bring a container load into the UK....Kudos is doing very well why take the risk,but it is frustrating watching others sell these illegals and trading standards and/or the police seem impotent to stop them.

One aspect that is not mentioned about these illegals is range,the 500 watt bike that I tested had a 500 Wh battery but on full power the suppliers estimated a 15 mile range,the reason these S-class bikes have big batteries is because they need them, if you use the power.

I too am fed up with this illegals thread within the forum and then I do a long posting about it,apologies.

If you are all so fed up with them,why not develop an open letter and send it to your local police and/or trading standards,it needs a number of complaints before they will take action.

KudosDave

Edited May 14, 20169 yr by Kudoscycles

If we are to see more people taking on cycle to work, those who want to stay fit, the solution is not the dongle but more light assist bikes, that are built to keep as close as possible to push bikes, like the Gtech (and of course the woosh Karoo).

I totally agree some 50% of the content of the forum seems now to be devoted to illegal bikes,

 

Theres always been this tendency, I think it's fundamental since there's so much more to post about once into the much wider scope of illegality.

 

Sorry this comment has to include you Dave, but it seems worse now due to those complaining about it.

 

Back in the early days of the forum when over a third of the whole membership rode a very illegal model, very much more than now, it wasn't particularly noticeable since almost no-one complained about it.