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Britain's top physicist set to leave UK because of Brexit

Nobel Prize-winning physicist Andre Geim considers taking research elsewhere as international student applications plummet.

 

Not to Worry that Nice Mr Gove said

"We've had enough of Experts"

So that's all right then, isn't it?

 

'Ere Guv, wots a Physicist do then, eh?"

Don't jump for joy yet.

The UK is about middle of the corruption league table.

Don't worry the Government has a team of Experts working on it.

it has a name

"Perfidious Albion"

"Perfidious Albion is an anglophobic pejorative phrase used within the context of international relations and diplomacy to refer to alleged acts of diplomatic sleights, duplicity, treachery and hence infidelity (with respect to perceived promises made to or alliances formed with other nation states)

 

I speak in jest of course we wouldn't stoop so low.......Oh well , perhaps just a teeny little bit.

Actually somehow the term made me think of Brexit.

.. you do realise that I was referring to the town in France?

 

If you are referring to the 7 billion loan from the UK in 2010, I think that was repaid... With interest.

 

you`re in France at the moment..ok,

 

No, i was referring to the €67.5bn (£56.5bn) bail-out for Ireland to save it from itself,

the UK taxpayer propped up the Irish economy with at least £20bn,

and No again, it hasn`t been repaid.

 

And to think some have the audacity to castigate the DUP for getting this part of the UK 1 billion!!

 

Short memories.

you`re in France at the moment..ok,

 

No, i was referring to the €67.5bn (£56.5bn) bail-out for Ireland to save it from itself,

the UK taxpayer propped up the Irish economy with at least £20bn,

and No again, it hasn`t been repaid.

 

And to think some have the audacity to castigate the DUP for getting this part of the UK 1 billion!!

 

Short memories.

Just out of curiosity, if the loan was to the Irish, why is the DUP due to gain from that? What have they done to deserve it, apart from propping up a regime that is the enemy of the British people against their wishes?

'Ere Guv, wots a Physicist do then, eh?"

 

It's just a posh name for a personal trainer.

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Just out of curiosity, if the loan was to the Irish, why is the DUP due to gain from that? What have they done to deserve it, apart from propping up a regime that is the enemy of the British people against their wishes?

 

thats incoherent.

 

gain from what??

 

nothing to do with each other - it`s a comparison,

 

re-read again please...

thats incoherent.

 

gain from what??

 

nothing to do with each other - it`s a comparison,

 

re-read again please...

Sorry but yours was the incoherent comment not mine the DUP extorted the money it wasn't given

 

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Sorry but yours was the incoherent comment not mine the DUP extorted the money it wasn't given

 

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yes, though (it must be said) the extortion was excruciatingly enjoyable. May, all maybot fake smile, anxiously handwringing, blatantly buying herself a job with taxpayer money, damaging the tories even more, clearly neither stable or strong. I found myself wishing the DUP would up the stakes, gradually, ask for 4000 billion pounds, all the ex colonies, the cabinet to run naked down oxford street.

you`re in France at the moment..ok,

 

No, i was referring to the €67.5bn (£56.5bn) bail-out for Ireland to save it from itself,

the UK taxpayer propped up the Irish economy with at least £20bn,

and No again, it hasn`t been repaid.

 

And to think some have the audacity to castigate the DUP for getting this part of the UK 1 billion!!

 

Short memories.

. Tommie, I am no expert on intergovernmental finance and the banking system, and I suspect neither are you,

In the case of the 20billion my understanding is that this was money provided by the Bank of England to cover the liabilities of Ulster Bank or RBS, it's parent, and not part of the bailout which is the term used for the EU IMF package.. The irony of this is that it was the reckless lending policy of RBS, who , I understand were the originators of 100% mortgages, that accelerated the credit boom and crash.

Like many other irish people, I am sorry and puzzled why Ireland accepted the liabilities of what was a private bank.(Anglo Irish ), and passed it on to the Irish taxpayer.

My understanding is that Ireland inc. is paying out interest in all these loans, so charity they were not...

If you bother to read back on any of my posts, I have not in any fashion castigated the DUP for accepting the money from the UK . I do however hope that this money is not going to the DUP as your post implied, but to the peoples of Northern Ireland.

yes, though (it must be said) the extortion was excruciatingly enjoyable. May, all maybot fake smile, anxiously handwringing, blatantly buying herself a job with taxpayer money, damaging the tories even more, clearly neither stable or strong. I found myself wishing the DUP would up the stakes, gradually, ask for 4000 billion pounds, all the ex colonies, the cabinet to run naked down oxford street.

... And run naked down the street. Have you no pity sir, have the British public not suffered enough?

... And run naked down the street. Have you no pity sir, have the British public not suffered enough?

For modesty's sake, is it too much trouble to recommend they be tarred and feathered first?

here is someone who wants to stand in the middle of the road:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/aug/11/two-cabinet-ministers-interested-in-new-anti-brexit-party-james-chapman

 

The two main parties have been captured by their fringes, and Jacob is a member of that fringe and he has captured my party and I don’t any longer want to be a part of it.

The cabinet are united....the big group led by Hammond and Rudd want a soft(minmum 3 years transition)Brexit,a smaller group led by Rees-Mogg want a hard (fall off a cliff) Brexit but now Theresa May and David Davis want a softish-hardish (middle of the road)Brexit....I have read Mays explanation of this and really dont understand what is different to soft Brexit.

But 'nothing has changed','we are all united',hehe....

I wonder what form of Brexit do the EU intend or think we want????

confused KudosDave

Just a further thought,isnt our EU contributions based upon the success of our country? A sort of government income tax? The Tories are making such a mess of things we could be so negative as to want assistance from the EU not make contributions....Germany could end up the only one paying in.

I think there is a consensus for a transitional period.

It's afterward that the 3 groups differ.

Rees Mogg wants shortest transition, then WTO. No deal necessary and get away with the smallest possible divorce bill.

TM wants reasonably long transition, then a free trade deal. Divorce bill matters but not a deal breaker.

Hammond wants a soft brexit.

The hard brexiters are now a minority in the conservatives.

I think there is a consensus for a transitional period.

It's afterward that the 3 groups differ.

Rees Mogg wants shortest transition, then WTO. No deal necessary and get away with the smallest possible divorce bill.

TM wants reasonably long transition, then a free trade deal. Divorce bill matters but not a deal breaker.

Hammond wants a soft brexit.

The hard brexiters are now a minority in the conservatives.

they have always been. their finding the courage to speak out because the electorate's jingoistic seizure is (thankfully)wearing off a bit.

for a soft brexit, the tories need to be beaten at the next GE.

to reverse brexit, the libdems need to be in government.

otherwise, we'll get TM and a fairly hard brexit.

for a soft brexit, the tories need to be beaten at the next GE.

to reverse brexit, the libdems need to be in government.

otherwise, we'll get TM and a fairly hard brexit.

I know we're in uncharted water and strange things have happened recently, but I am not ready to put down a tenner at any odds on the lib dems being in power any time soon. TM, like Rees Mogg, is an opportunistic heartless nutter that will do any damage to the UK if it provides her with power. it comes down to the electorate's sentiment I fear.

I know we're in uncharted water and strange things have happened recently, but I am not ready to put down a tenner at any odds on the lib dems being in power any time soon

that's why not many people believe that brexit can be reversed.

Mind you, the SNP may do just as well to reverse brexit.

Remainers should think more about the mechanism to bring about a second referendum.

that's why not many people believe that brexit can be reversed.

Mind you, the SNP may do just as well to reverse brexit.

Remainers should think more about the mechanism to bring about a second referendum.

apologies for a rehash of what's been said, but - that - a mechanism for a second referendum - would require a reasonable public discourse about the reality of brexit. I fear this isn't on offer. I don't know what would make this available. its a bit like finding a way to have a conversation with the Donald about not treating women like objects. perhaps some softening up via painful economic circumstance may help. but that may equally propel us all into a more disturbing reality.

although parliament has the power but in practice, only the government of the day can call a second referendum.

That's why remainers need a coalition government to reverse brexit.

Been busy doing some touring recently and have paid little attention to internet activities - saw these on re-acquainting myself with various social media and though they were worthy of repetition here:

 

Great definition in my book!.................

 

...........

 

......err, yes please!

 

Then, there is this concise explanation of how the 'trickle-down effect' has always completely failed to produce the results that the lying, cheating tory scum used as their defence of creating greater and greater profits from the toil and sweat of the ordinary folks' labour:

 

 

Tom

here is someone who wants to stand in the middle of the road:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/aug/11/two-cabinet-ministers-interested-in-new-anti-brexit-party-james-chapman

 

From another James yesterday- not reported in the UK:

 

https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0LEVvPb241ZaiAABRQnnIlQ;_ylu=X3oDMTEyOW4zN2wyBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDQjQ0MzBfMQRzZWMDc2M-/RV=2/RE=1502497884/RO=10/RU=https%3a%2f%2fwww.bloomberg.com%2fpolitics%2farticles%2f2017-08-10%2fmay-sticks-to-two-year-brexit-deal-goal-amid-cabinet-doubts/RK=1/RS=jBwrcNw3a7tnKNg422jmHSowKOE-

From another James yesterday- not reported in the UK:

 

https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0LEVvPb241ZaiAABRQnnIlQ;_ylu=X3oDMTEyOW4zN2wyBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDQjQ0MzBfMQRzZWMDc2M-/RV=2/RE=1502497884/RO=10/RU=https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-08-10/may-sticks-to-two-year-brexit-deal-goal-amid-cabinet-doubts/RK=1/RS=jBwrcNw3a7tnKNg422jmHSowKOE-

.. what would you have expected her to say?. Until a full cabinet meeting changes things, she must revert to the status quo.

.. what would you have expected her to say?. Until a full cabinet meeting changes things, she must revert to the status quo.

 

The clue is in her title - PM.

Are poor Brexiters prepared for a hard Brexit....everyone is saying Brexit will make us poorer,if inflation comes back because of the weak pound, the BoE will have to raise interest rates,post Brexit Hammond will continue lowering corporation tax to keep business,so we are back to savage austerity.....are Brexiters prepared to be very poor,but they knew that when they voted.

KudosDave