the plight of your fellow man is breathtaking.

 

Plight for some, don`t generalise...

 

some are deserving cases fleeing war-torn nations such as Syria. Others, the vast majority, fit-looking men under 30, are merely seeking a better life. They expect houses in Europe, education and benefits, too.

... Tommie, according to that article more people have drowned this year alone crossing into Europe than died in the 9/11 event. Your sympathy for the plight of your fellow man is breathtaking.

The ultimate cause is global population growth, and the proximal causes are war driven by the wealthy west , and now the wealthy countries like China demanding resources. And which country has had the largest empire subjugating the majority of the worlds population. I can give you a clue.. they used to mark the countries in red.

Europe could well absorb a few million more, particularly in underpopulated rural areas.

Biggest issue as I see it is that all the problems that are forcing these people to make the journey will either come with them or follow close behind.

Plight for some, don`t generalise...

 

some are deserving cases fleeing war-torn nations such as Syria. Others, the vast majority, fit-looking men under 30, are merely seeking a better life. They expect houses in Europe, education and benefits, too.

That, I'm afraid, is the kind of manure that made many vote brexit. Largely they seek work. They contribute much more than the natives who - and its no coincidence - often expect houses and benefits for doing fanny all.

Shirley Williams on BBC Parliament made the comment that Brexit is one of the most selfish projects that the olds have inflicted on the young in the UK,she described that the young 'have been sold down the river'

In China the one child policy is now being deleted by the Chinese government because age growth and lack of the young,is placing a big strain on social care....before the young migrated to the eastern cities the family worked as a unit,but now the working young are mainly in the east,the old are suffering.

We could end up similar,our care homes are closing because it is no longer economic to run them and sending out signals to the EU workers that they are no longer wanted,the weakness of the £ also making their Euro income very poor. Children and grandchildren are now so distributed that they cannot easily help the grandparents.

The young are being drained to keep the olds in now unaffordable pensions and social care, coupled with the selfish Brexit vote it must be understandable that they are lacking sympathy when there is nobody left in the UK who wants to look after the olds,we have ourselves to blame.

KudosDave

The EU?...an accident waiting to happen!

What do you mean by that remark?

Brexit was the Accident and it DID happen, anything else is collateral damage.

Plight for some, don`t generalise...

 

some are deserving cases fleeing war-torn nations such as Syria. Others, the vast majority, fit-looking men under 30, are merely seeking a better life. They expect houses in Europe, education and benefits, too.

My goodness! you know how they think and what they want without actually speaking to them, or in fact having any sympathy with their possibly dire situation, in fact no knowledge whatsoever, just newspaper propaganda.

Brexit is the result of similar logic.

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what do you believe the answer be? Is their intelligence so subnormal?

 

... At the risk of stating the obvious, probably 50% were of below average intelligence.

 

17,410,742 voted to Leave,

 

So over 8.5 million people in the UK who voted are somehow sub-normal, below average intelligence?

 

So there you have it, an Irish guy telling the British half of them are thick!

 

Not your finest hour Dan, now was it?

17,410,742 voted to Leave,

 

So over 8.5 million people in the UK who voted are somehow sub-normal, below average intelligence?

 

Of course they were below average intelligence, just as the other half of the 17.4 million Leave voters were above average.

 

The classic bell curve distribution.

 

But you polluted it by terming those below sub-normal. The centre of the bell curve isn't the norm, it's the median.

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some are deserving cases fleeing war-torn nations such as Syria. Others, the vast majority, fit-looking men under 30, are merely seeking a better life. They expect houses in Europe, education and benefits, too.

 

Surely better expressed as, they seek the opportunity to attain those benefits.

 

And why not, in this one world? Why is seeking that opportunity not deserving?

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Shirley Williams on BBC Parliament made the comment that Brexit is one of the most selfish projects that the olds have inflicted on the young in the UK,she described that the young 'have been sold down the river'

In China the one child policy is now being deleted by the Chinese government because age growth and lack of the young,is placing a big strain on social care....before the young migrated to the eastern cities the family worked as a unit,but now the working young are mainly in the east,the old are suffering.

We could end up similar,our care homes are closing because it is no longer economic to run them and sending out signals to the EU workers that they are no longer wanted,the weakness of the £ also making their Euro income very poor. Children and grandchildren are now so distributed that they cannot easily help the grandparents.

The young are being drained to keep the olds in now unaffordable pensions and social care, coupled with the selfish Brexit vote it must be understandable that they are lacking sympathy when there is nobody left in the UK who wants to look after the olds,we have ourselves to blame.

KudosDave

I am always amused by these young that have been sold down the river quotes..

I wonder if they are the same young, most of whom couldn't be bothered to get out of bed and vote, or those that are happily living off of the bank of mum and dad and grumbling at the spending of their inheritance, or perhaps those gullible enough to believe Jeremy Corbins promise of a refund of tuition fees paid in exchange for a vote. Or is there another group young I dont know of.

Be Brexit right or wrong, the remain grumblers remind of a child that doesnt want to go to bed, and their legs suddenly go limp and lifeless and they grab hold of anything to halt their progress up the stairs..

I am always amused by these young that have been sold down the river quotes..

I wonder if they are the same young, most of whom couldn't be bothered to get out of bed and vote, or those that are happily living off of the bank of mum and dad and grumbling at the spending of their inheritance, or perhaps those gullible enough to believe Jeremy Corbins promise of a refund of tuition fees paid in exchange for a vote. Or is there another group young I dont know of.

Be Brexit right or wrong, the remain grumblers remind of a child that doesnt want to go to bed, and their legs suddenly go limp and lifeless and they grab hold of anything to halt their progress up the stairs..

 

Perhaps they are different in Yorkshire. I know so many young people who work their nuts off. My own son gets up at 3 in the morning and does a 12 hour shift,sometimes longer.

Perhaps the Yorkshire young are trainee Brexiters who don't know when they are well off. Maybe there is a different work ethic down south which is why the north is lagging so far behind.

The remainers will be around to pick up the pieces when the Brexiters have ruined our country.

KudosDave

Biggest issue as I see it is that all the problems that are forcing these people to make the journey will either come with them or follow close behind.

That's blatant unfounded uninformed prejudice. Just the unthinking brexit was based on. I know a Syrian surgeon who's wife and child drowned on a med crossing working in an A&E in Malta because it was his first port of call and EU regulation specify one should seek asylum there. We have a dire shortage of A&E consultants in UK. Frankly, with this kind of xenophobic prejudice we deserve this and the state our healthcare is in.

Perhaps they are different in Yorkshire. I know so many young people who work their nuts off. My own son gets up at 3 in the morning and does a 12 hour shift,sometimes longer.

Perhaps the Yorkshire young are trainee Brexiters who don't know when they are well off. Maybe there is a different work ethic down south which is why the north is lagging so far behind.

The remainers will be around to pick up the pieces when the Brexiters have ruined our country.

KudosDave

That may be unusual by today's standards but not when I was young . I did that for 40 years.. 12 hour shifts days and nights. Job I hated.. no sick pay so no work no money.. but had to do it. We all had to do it.. that's how we ended up earning a pension.

remain grumblers remind of a child that doesnt want to go to bed, and their legs suddenly go limp and lifeless and they grab hold of anything to halt their progress up the stairs

Nice to see an unbiased view of Brexit, though the notion that leaving the EU to risk the future of the next generation is anything other than Juvenile is rather hard to grasp.

In the strange inverted world of the Brexiter of course, a fanatical belief has replaced pragmatic logic, so here is a reminder.

1. The Referendum was given as a Ploy to quell a rebellious faction in the Tory ranks that it feared were going to defect to UKIP
   
2. It was Advisory only, a fact carefully glossed over by Davis the author. or the Public would not have bothered to vote.
   
3. All promises proved to be lies, including Cameron's to send Article 50 in the very next week and Boris's £350 Million Pounds Gaff
   
4. Since then there has been no plan, and there still isn't the Polician's planning horizon hits a Brick wall on Brexit day and they haven't a clue what to do next, or the means to do it
   
5. Since t Negotiations started with the EU they have got nowhere.
   
6. After a hard Brexit we will still have the same clowns in both Labour and the Tory party playing silly party politics games and failing to run the country properly
   
7. The laws, welfare, and civil rights will be hacked to pieces, because "The will of the people wanted Brexit" and to make it happen sacrifices have to be made.
   
8. The country cannot be described as capable of making a living with the industry and infrastructure that it has or is likely to get within many years, but since most of it is Foreign owned already Politicians have no say, have they? we are at the real owner's mercy
   
9. Let's face it we are now faced with living on Charity from the EU and the Foreign owners of our infrastructure and Industry
   

The truth is this farce will prove extremely damaging and rather than make smug and silly remarks about "remain grumblers" you would do better to emigrate to a more advanced country rather than the shambles that this one is about to become, just as it was before, when through desperation we sought to enter the common market, and it saved the day.

 

Think on this. It took three attempts before they let us in and it saved us.

Do you imagine for a moment they will welcome us back again to act in the idiotic fashion we are doing now?

 

Remain grumblers remind you of a child do they? good grief, is that the best you can do after so many people made such a hugely disastrous mistake as to vote for Brexit, where the only supporting evidence to do so was a pack of lies and broken promises that wouldn't convince a ten year old child?

That is really rather sad.

That may be unusual by today's standards but not when I was young . I did that for 40 years.. 12 hour shifts days and nights. Job I hated.. no sick pay so no work no money.. but had to do it. We all had to do it.. that's how we ended up earning a pension.

So obviously you didn't vote for Brexit as it will bring all that back, or did you?

So obviously you didn't vote for Brexit as it will bring all that back, or did you?

Yes I voted brexit as it seemed the best of 2 bad options and the more I hear from junker and co the less likely i am to change my mind

So obviously you didn't vote for Brexit as it will bring all that back, or did you?

My life was pretty much the same and things only really started looking up when we joined the Common Market

Yes I voted brexit as it seemed the best of 2 bad options and the more I hear from junker and co the less likely i am to change my mind

 

So it's a personality thing is it? the press give you a story and you take is as Gospel? but that doesn't apply to Boris, Gove, Davis, May ,Fox, Rees Mogg and all the others?

My life was pretty much the same and things only really started looking up when we joined the Common Market

What I really don't understand is how you know what will happen? The doom and gloom scenarios didn't happen as promised so those that know kept coming up with excuses just waiting for a downturn before saying I told you so

So it's a personality thing is it? the press give you a story and you take is as Gospel? but that doesn't apply to Boris, Gove, Davis, May ,Fox, Rees Mogg and all the others?

I don't buy a newspaper but I get various feeds on my phone with snippets of interest.. which differ depending on who the newspaper suports. I read last week that because of brexit babies will be at risk of getting cancer! There was some rational to support this as there is with the other sides offerings.

They all lie through their teeth... all of em.. they all bend the same information to prove different things. A good example is the young people's vote where something like 70% voted to stay.. but no one said that it was 70% of the less than half that actually voted so if less than half of under 25's actually voted to stay then could we not argue that they voted to leave by not voting.?

Nice to see an unbiased view of Brexit, though the notion that leaving the EU to risk the future of the next generation is anything other than Juvenile is rather hard to grasp.

In the strange inverted world of the Brexiter of course, a fanatical belief has replaced pragmatic logic, so here is a reminder.

1. The Referendum was given as a Ploy to quell a rebellious faction in the Tory ranks that it feared were going to defect to UKIP
   
2. It was Advisory only, a fact carefully glossed over by Davis the author. or the Public would not have bothered to vote.
   
3. All promises proved to be lies, including Cameron's to send Article 50 in the very next week and Boris's £350 Million Pounds Gaff
   
4. Since then there has been no plan, and there still isn't the Polician's planning horizon hits a Brick wall on Brexit day and they haven't a clue what to do next, or the means to do it
   
5. Since t Negotiations started with the EU they have got nowhere.
   
6. After a hard Brexit we will still have the same clowns in both Labour and the Tory party playing silly party politics games and failing to run the country properly
   
7. The laws, welfare, and civil rights will be hacked to pieces, because "The will of the people wanted Brexit" and to make it happen sacrifices have to be made.
   
8. The country cannot be described as capable of making a living with the industry and infrastructure that it has or is likely to get within many years, but since most of it is Foreign owned already Politicians have no say, have they? we are at the real owner's mercy
   
9. Let's face it we are now faced with living on Charity from the EU and the Foreign owners of our infrastructure and Industry
   

The truth is this farce will prove extremely damaging and rather than make smug and silly remarks about "remain grumblers" you would do better to emigrate to a more advanced country rather than the shambles that this one is about to become, just as it was before, when through desperation we sought to enter the common market, and it saved the day.

 

Think on this. It took three attempts before they let us in and it saved us.

Do you imagine for a moment they will welcome us back again to act in the idiotic fashion we are doing now?

 

Remain grumblers remind you of a child do they? good grief, is that the best you can do after so many people made such a hugely disastrous mistake as to vote for Brexit, where the only supporting evidence to do so was a pack of lies and broken promises that wouldn't convince a ten year old child?

That is really rather sad.

Cor i bet that took some typing.. or did you cut and paste? Just s thought but if I voted brexit to keep Britain British why would I want to emigrate? And as to all your other points.. honestly! I havnt the faintest idea....

17,410,742 voted to Leave,

 

So over 8.5 million people in the UK who voted are somehow sub-normal, below average intelligence?

 

So there you have it, an Irish guy telling the British half of them are thick!

 

Not your finest hour Dan, now was it?

 

Yes of course thank you for pointing it out, how was I to know, .. degree in mathematics notwithstanding, , how stupid of me to believe that whatever the average is , 50% will be above it and 50% below it. Only in a Brexit controlled universe is it different.

You can take comfort in the belief that you were one of the above average intelligence persons, provided you also accept that there was someone else who was of below average intelligence.

Now there are a variety of statistical analysis tools, but when one is dealing with large populations, they tend towards the standard Gaussian distribution curve, and believe me, a population of 18 million or 17 million these would be viewed as large populations. The average becomes defined as the peak of that curve, ..

In the case of human intelligence, the term sub normal would not tend to be used for persons within say 2 standard deviations below the average , but to those who are incapable of a number of tasks....

That's blatant unfounded uninformed prejudice. Just the unthinking brexit was based on. I know a Syrian surgeon who's wife and child drowned on a med crossing working in an A&E in Malta because it was his first port of call and EU regulation specify one should seek asylum there. We have a dire shortage of A&E consultants in UK. Frankly, with this kind of xenophobic prejudice we deserve this and the state our healthcare is in.

I am not sure that that was the actual point the poster was making. I read it as , if immigrants come in and no attempt is made to integrate them into the host society, the same pressures , and oppressions they were fleeing from will re emerge. The same bullies, tyrants, gangsters who thrived in their home state will again dominate. Gettos can form...

All very well, but how are you, or me for that fact, to know 99% of those voting Leave aren`t highly intelligent individuals and 1% are as you put it `below average intelligence`? But you claim 50% are `below average intelligence`. How do you know??

Doesn`t it strike you as a tad condescending and offensive to those that voted??

All very well, but how are you, or me for that fact, to know 99% of those voting Leave aren`t highly intelligent individuals and 1% are as you put it `below average intelligence`? But you claim 50% are `below average intelligence`. How do you know??

Doesn`t it strike you as a tad condescending and offensive to those that voted??

Statistics dear boy statistics. .. since 36 million voted and roughly 50% went either way, 52\ 48, it stands to reason that both populations had equal ratios of average, above average and below average.

And no it does not strike me as being condescending.

Other commentators have hinted that Brexit voters were from specific social classes and educational attainment, but I have not. It was I understand a secret ballot. What was undeniable was that regions which were economically less developed had greater pro Brexit majorities, because this evidence is in the constituancies returns.