August 20, 20169 yr Author I'm not the only person with these views...... try post 5 and post 8 on this thread. So what do you think a good quality e-bike should cost? KudosDave
August 20, 20169 yr Dealers, salesman and businessmen..... They dont like it up em Capt'n Mainwaring. No they dont Jones, they'd like us to believe everything they say.
August 20, 20169 yr Author Dealers, salesman and businessmen..... They dont like it up em Capt'n Mainwaring. No they dont Jones, they'd like us to believe everything they say. Forget the rubbish....you said we are all profiteering,so put your money where your mouth is and tell us what you think a good quality e-bike should cost? KudosDave
August 20, 20169 yr Yeah yeah yeah........ people always claims their opinions are the truth. And so it goes on and on and on and on....... much like your Brexit thread. As Amps posted, unbelievable! Since when were the two circa £300 Cyclamatics from SportsHQ an opinion? Since when were the two circa £300 - £350 e-bikes from Tesco an opinion? They existed for years, many members bought them and many still own them and have posted about them with photos and modifications. Their existence is factual, demonstrating that national availability of low cost e-bikes hasn't made them widely popular in Britain, fact. The great majority of the British public just don't want e-bikes at any price. They'll spend many hundreds of pounds on phones, drones, tablets, X-box, Wii, PlayStation, 3D TVs etc., but clearly not e-bikes, even when they are often as cheap or cheaper than those other things. .
August 20, 20169 yr Forget the rubbish....you said we are all profiteering,so put your money where your mouth is and tell us what you think a good quality e-bike should cost? KudosDave I dont have to tell you anything..... I've told you my beliefs, you dont agree with it. Thats all there is to it really.
August 20, 20169 yr Author I dont have to tell you anything..... I've told you my beliefs, you dont agree with it. Thats all there is to it really. No you haven't ,You haven't told me your beliefs,what do you believe a good quality e-bike should cost? That's a very simple question,if you believe this industry is profiteering what do you think is a fair price that these bikes should cost? You seem to be struggling to put a price alongside your beliefs. KudosDave
August 20, 20169 yr Author Yam dude....I will let you have an insight into the pricing structure behind e-bike importing. Fortunately only a small part of my revenue comes from e-bike sales so I can be more open than others. A trip round the Shanghai show will reveal that e-bikes cost between 450-600 US dollars,below 450 you are into dubious quality standards,the difference between 450-600 dependent upon specification (battery size/type,motor type,hydraulic brakes etc). Considering this from the Chinese viewpoint,would you want to collect all the parts together,pay for staff/factory costs and make a profit (usually 50 US dollars per bike),I wouldn't!....I find these ex factory prices still remarkably low. The minimum quantity you can realistically ship to keep the shipping cost reasonable is 200 units(40 foot container),you are wasting your time shipping 20 footers. You put your 30% down and pay 70% on BOL,delivery usually 4-6 months. When the goods hit Felixstowe you have to pay vat + import duty,26% total...you get the vat back at next vat return,maybe 4 months ahead,but the duty goes to the government. On most shipments the vat and duty payment comes to about £20k. Dealers have to earn 30% profit,which is really not enough to pay for bricks and mortar costs,insurance,rates,staff etc. Ok,here is the schedule from a 'profiteering' e-bike importer..... Taking a lower priced bike of 450 US dollars... 450 dollars........at 1.3 to £......FOB price....£346.15 6% duty. 20.76 Shipping cost. 20.00 Landed cost. £386.19 Importer profit. 100.00 Courier ship cost,importer to dealer. 25.00 Dealer cost. £511.19 Dealer profit ,30%. 153.36 Dealer sale. £664.55 20% vat. 132.91 Sale with vat. £797.46 If you look at the Kudos Milano or Verona they are priced at £795.00... Still think we are profiteering? KudosDave
August 20, 20169 yr Yam dude....I will let you have an insight into the pricing structure behind e-bike importing. Fortunately only a small part of my revenue comes from e-bike sales so I can be more open than others. A trip round the Shanghai show will reveal that e-bikes cost between 450-600 US dollars,below 450 you are into dubious quality standards,the difference between 450-600 dependent upon specification (battery size/type,motor type,hydraulic brakes etc). Would you want to collect all the parts together,pay for staff/factory costs and make a profit (usually 50 US dollars per bike),I wouldn't!....I find these ex factory prices still remarkably low. The minimum quantity you can realistically ship to keep the shipping cost reasonable is 200 units(40 foot container),you are wasting your time shipping 20 footers. You put your 30% down and pay 70% on BOL,delivery usually 4-6 months. When the goods hit Felixstowe you have to pay vat + import duty,26% total...you get the vat back at next vat return,maybe 4 months ahead,but the duty goes to the government. On most shipments the vat and duty payment comes to about £20k. Dealers have to earn 30% profit,which is really not enough to pay for bricks and mortar costs,insurance,rates,staff etc. Ok,here is the schedule from a 'profiteering' e-bike importer..... Taking a lower priced bike of 450 US dollars... 450 dollars........at 1.3 to £......FOB price....£346.15 6% duty. 20.76 Shipping cost. 20.00 Landed cost. £386.19 Importer profit. 100.00 Courier ship cost,importer to dealer. 25.00 Dealer cost. £511.19 Dealer profit ,30%. 153.36 Dealer sale. £664.55 20% vat. 132.91 Sale with vat. £797.46 If you look at the Kudos Milano or Verona they are priced at £795.00... Still think we are profiteering? KudosDave When i look at that post...... all i see is a salesman going blah, blah, blah, blah, blah etc etc. Alright mate, whatever.
August 20, 20169 yr When i look at that post...... all i see is a salesman going blah, blah, blah, blah, blah etc etc. Alright mate, whatever. Maths not your strong point huh?
August 20, 20169 yr that was calculated based on $1.30 exchange rate. KD bought his container(s) at $1.43 though. In fact, the importer margin needs to be around £200-£250 per bike to pay for staff (sales and support), carriage, premises and cover for cock-ups, leaving about £100 net profit per bike.
August 20, 20169 yr My first bike cost to build: Bike €0.00 motor and battery €689.00 Hydraulic brakes €55.36 lights €52.85 rack €27.00 mirror €10.03 Tyres + tubes €56.00 Mudguards €23.69 Stand €16.70 Freewheel €13.10 BB €13.90 Lock €38.16 Pedals €24.90 Shifters €28.99 Total €1,049.68 The host bike was given to me for free. If I wanted a similar complete e-bike from a shop it would have cost me about 1,795 €.
August 20, 20169 yr i seem to recall that when we joined the '' common market'' that was used as an excuse to put up prices. Any opportunity will be seized to raise prices. Some people will be making a lot of money I wasn't referring to ebike sellers in this post. I tend to think that ebikes are generally good value and reasonably priced, with a few exceptions. Things are obviously going to change after the leave vote, some for the worse and some for the better but I believe it will settle down after a period of time and life will go on. I think that picture of that poor little child in Syria puts things in perspective and we should be glad of what we have and just get on with it.
August 20, 20169 yr here is a cheap bike at a reasonable quality for every day commuting based on a suggestion made by yamdude: - Marin Fairfax with Nexus-8: £299 http://www.rutlandcycling.com/369669/products/marin-fairfax-sc2-ig-2016-hybrid-bike-black.aspx - a pair of Schwalbe MP 700c x 28c and innertubes £50 - rechargeable lights: £25 - mudguards: £25 - 8-Fun BBS01 with 13AH HL downtube battery Samsung cells (woosh): £638 Total cost: £1,037
August 20, 20169 yr Plus rack, magura hydraulic front brake, a frame lock and a suspension seat post say £1,225. Very nice looking bike!
August 20, 20169 yr if your commute does not involve big hills, replace the BBS01 with a front Aikema 100SX motor, save nearly £200 and 2kgs. http://www.aikema.com.cn/En_ArticleShow.asp?ArticleID=290
August 20, 20169 yr Yam dude....I will let you have an insight into the pricing structure behind e-bike importing. Fortunately only a small part of my revenue comes from e-bike sales so I can be more open than others. A trip round the Shanghai show will reveal that e-bikes cost between 450-600 US dollars,below 450 you are into dubious quality standards,the difference between 450-600 dependent upon specification (battery size/type,motor type,hydraulic brakes etc). Considering this from the Chinese viewpoint,would you want to collect all the parts together,pay for staff/factory costs and make a profit (usually 50 US dollars per bike),I wouldn't!....I find these ex factory prices still remarkably low. The minimum quantity you can realistically ship to keep the shipping cost reasonable is 200 units(40 foot container),you are wasting your time shipping 20 footers. You put your 30% down and pay 70% on BOL,delivery usually 4-6 months. When the goods hit Felixstowe you have to pay vat + import duty,26% total...you get the vat back at next vat return,maybe 4 months ahead,but the duty goes to the government. On most shipments the vat and duty payment comes to about £20k. Dealers have to earn 30% profit,which is really not enough to pay for bricks and mortar costs,insurance,rates,staff etc. Ok,here is the schedule from a 'profiteering' e-bike importer..... Taking a lower priced bike of 450 US dollars... 450 dollars........at 1.3 to £......FOB price....£346.15 6% duty. 20.76 Shipping cost. 20.00 Landed cost. £386.19 Importer profit. 100.00 Courier ship cost,importer to dealer. 25.00 Dealer cost. £511.19 Dealer profit ,30%. 153.36 Dealer sale. £664.55 20% vat. 132.91 Sale with vat. £797.46 If you look at the Kudos Milano or Verona they are priced at £795.00... Still think we are profiteering? KudosDave You haven't mentioned staffing costs, etc. If that's coming out of the £100 profit you'll need to import quite a few containers. Also your costs of going to China etc. Makes e bike sales seem like a hobby / cottage industry. I get the feeling Yamdude is just winding you up and isn't overly serious.
August 20, 20169 yr When i look at that post...... all i see is a salesman going blah, blah, blah, blah, blah etc etc. Alright mate, whatever. But he is not going, "blah blah blah". He has quoted specific figures. You can either dispute them or not bother, but don't dismiss them. He took the trouble to explain and itemise his costs - the very least you can do is to acknowledge the fact that he took the trouble to do it.
August 20, 20169 yr Author You haven't mentioned staffing costs, etc. If that's coming out of the £100 profit you'll need to import quite a few containers. Also your costs of going to China etc. Makes e bike sales seem like a hobby / cottage industry. I get the feeling Yamdude is just winding you up and isn't overly serious. Crockers...you are absolutely right,the £100 profit is not enough to keep marketing going,staff are 'loaned' from another business as are storage etc. Which is why we need to sell some direct through our website and keep the dealer profit,it answers the reason why many importers only sell direct and do not have dealers. But we know that many customers like a local dealer and are not always happy with buying off the internet. Kudos would not exist without the support of our parent company,there is a feeling of a bit of a hobby element to it,I personally am very interested in these electric bikes,designing and sourcing them is very interesting. With regard to Yamdude,I think he was serious,but who was winding up who,not really sure,shame he didn't feel confident to state his idea of a fair price for an electric bike. The figures are genuine,this is not a product area which you would enter to become a quick millionaire....it sort of reminds me of Branson's joke of how you become a millionaire-you become a billionaire then you buy an airline,hehe!!!! KudosDave Edited August 20, 20169 yr by Kudoscycles
August 20, 20169 yr But he is not going, "blah blah blah". He has quoted specific figures. You can either dispute them or not bother, but don't dismiss them. He took the trouble to explain and itemise his costs - the very least you can do is to acknowledge the fact that he took the trouble to do it. Who threw you a biscuit Rover...... and i'll dismiss whatever i like thanks.
August 20, 20169 yr Who threw you a biscuit Rover...... and i'll dismiss whatever i like thanks. There's really no point trying to offend me, if that is your intent. It won't bother me in the least.
August 20, 20169 yr There's really no point trying to offend me, if that is your intent. It won't bother me in the least. Glad to hear it..... You didn't post a leaving thread on here recently did you ? Just a thought.
August 20, 20169 yr Glad to hear it..... You didn't post a leaving thread on here recently did you ? Just a thought. No. I've never owned an electric bike. I'm looking into buying one, so I joined the forum on 31st July 2016.
August 20, 20169 yr No. I've never owned an electric bike. I'm looking into buying one, so I joined the forum on 31st July 2016. As i said..... it was just a thought.
August 20, 20169 yr So we're all agreed then..... Ebikes are expensive and overpriced and dealers are in fact cashing in on Brexit. Phew.... glad we got all that sorted.
August 20, 20169 yr What concerns me is that people may take you serious,I assume you are joking when you say 'that e-bikes are expensive'.... Click here to see the votes.
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