Congrats on the new motor Flecc, you`ll have to do a review on it. (Is there any sort of government grant available?)

Been considering making the jump to an all-electric or hybrid for some time now, only thing i`m concerned about is as i`m very much rural how on a winters night the effect of having to drive with lights, heater and wipers on would affect range?

 

Thanks Tommie. The government purchase grant is current £4500 on a pure electric and a charge point installation subsidy of circa £500. Unfortunately that scheme expires in October and they've said it will be reduced since e-car sales are booming now.

 

The Leaf now has a compressor for heating and cooling which is far more economical than the old method. I just did a 104 mile run yesterday with a number of occasions of driving it hard, maximum acceleration, and plenty of 60 mph cruising. The air-con was working hard too, between 26 and 30 degrees C outside I was keeping the cabin at 20 degrees. With 29% of capacity left that indicates a 146 mile range driven without caring about economy and using it to the full, so I've no doubt it would meet the 164 miles indicated fully charged with normal conditions.

 

I haven't used the Eco mode at all or the e-pedal, so if using those the range would increase further, especially in less hot weather without the air-con working so hard. Range is certainly not going to be a problem for me.

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If you want a cheap 4 seater tricycle try this ~ only £1k before shipping and duty

 

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/hot-selling-3-4-passengers-E_60510538817.html?spm=a2700.7735675.2017115.1.up7jlM

Don't forget to add, 6% duty, 20% VAT and 37% antidumping tariff all compounded. So add delivery and then 74.26%

I thought the anti-dumping was going to be >37%

Yes it is, but if you are importing directly from China, you have to ad on normal duty and VAT then add the 37%.

 

Compounded up this means if you are going to buy anything directly from China you need to add delivery then 75% to get the true cost.

 

All the best, David

by 2025, the EU will be so integrated that it will have common currency, fiscal and defense policy, finance minister etc. Resistance will be futile.

 

By 2025 the EU will consist of Germany... so nobody will give a toss.

 

Predictions and wishful thinking about the EU rarely come true, so the EU in 2025 will probably look much as it does now.

 

That of course is the problem, the unwillingness to change.

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If you want a cheap 4 seater tricycle try this ~ only £1k before shipping and duty

 

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/hot-selling-3-4-passengers-E_60510538817.html?spm=a2700.7735675.2017115.1.up7jlM

 

35 km/h top speed <evil chuckle> (imagines self passing it on un-powered trike...)

It’s not the EU it’s the EBMA, desperately trying to protect their electric bike business with the assistance of the EU. The very people who ten years ago didn’t believe ebikes would ever take off. The people who got the throttle removed from ebikes. The people who own virtually every brand of bike you know. Two major companies, the two giants who run the bike industry in Europe.

 

I'm happy to admit when I made a sweeping incorrect statement David, and I'd hope you'd do the same

 

EMBA members have been making eBikes for a lot longer than 10 year and I don't think you'll find any of them who didn't think eBikes were worth investing in... they might of course have been waiting for technology to catch up and be at the level they'd trust before putting it on their bikes.

 

Certainly I know all the brands I'm aware of have been looking at this for years and years.... many just weren't prepared to deal with the warranty issues of using the early motors.

That's interesting Col, I am simply casting my mind back to the day I presented ebikes to the BAGB, I was told in no uncertain terms it would never happen. Maybe I do generalise though!

 

Giant were our there in the early days with the Lafree, a great bike, as were Yamaha, I cant think of anyone from the EBMA though.

Yes it is, but if you are importing directly from China, you have to ad on normal duty and VAT then add the 37%.

I just paid anti dumping duty this morning.

You pay normal duty and VAT, they are under A00 on the C88 form.

Then you pay 37% AD levy, + 20% VAT on the levy, they are B00 on the C88 form.

If your e-bike costs £500, you pay:

A00: £30 duty, £106 VAT

B00: £185 duty, £37 VAT

Total duty: £215

Total VAT: £143

Total taxes: £358

 

So the bike arrives at my shop costing me already £858. How much do you think I should sell it for to pay my staff?

 

The UK will remit 80% of duty to the EU, that is £172 on your bike, or 34.5% of your purchase.

 

Does it make you want to leave the EU/Customs Union/Single Market? I wonder.

It's unbelievable, tax on tax on tax!

 

It does not make me want to leave the EU, just try and control the accesses of the EBMA and their protectionism racket, it's the EBMA that have done this to you, not the EU.

 

This is what we have been fighting and continue to fight on your behalf along with the rest of the European E bike import industry,

The EU would work better if we shut down lobbying offices in Brussels! We are copying the US model and it will lead to the same end result...

 

I am pretty sure that tax on tax is illegal if you check the appropriate sites?

I am pretty sure that tax on tax is illegal if you check the appropriate sites?

 

do you want to argue with HMRC?

 

TBH, I was unlucky because the MSC Maersk Zoe got bumped off Felixstowe 10 days ago.

Anyway, I placed a new order today for the next lot of bikes in parts to be re-assembled in Southend.

Ideally, I'd like to partner with an European bike manufacturers, buy their last season stock and convert them to e-bikes.

Apparently Intersport was having problems keeping up with demand.

 

I have seen this up close and it isn't too bad, just needs a decent hydraulic front brake and a NCX/favorite saddle:

 

I am pretty sure that tax on tax is illegal if you check the appropriate sites?

 

The UK certainly has a long established principle of no double taxation, but no law against it that I know of. It's dependant on the Treasury and Chancellors avoiding it.

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Tax on tax happens all the time.

 

Think VAT on fuel, after Petroleum Revenue Tax.

 

Or Stamp Duty on commercial leases rent calculated on the VAT inclusive rent.

 

Or several other examples.

And of course on top of all that the EU`s tax on the incoming Third Party ebike insurance scheme !!

And of course on top of all that the EU`s tax on the incoming Third Party ebike insurance scheme !!

 

That insurance won't happen, but in any case it's the UK who impose the tax on all insurances, introduced by Kenneth Clarke when Chancellor in 1993 at 2.5%.

 

Successive Chancellors have increased it by stages ever since, Philip Hammond last time to 12%, almost five times the original.

 

Once again, the EU wrongly blamed for UK actions.

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I just paid anti dumping duty this morning.

You pay normal duty and VAT, they are under A00 on the C88 form.

Then you pay 37% AD levy, + 20% VAT on the levy, they are B00 on the C88 form.

If your e-bike costs £500, you pay:

A00: £30 duty, £106 VAT

B00: £185 duty, £37 VAT

Total duty: £215

Total VAT: £143

Total taxes: £358

 

So the bike arrives at my shop costing me already £858. How much do you think I should sell it for to pay my staff?

 

The UK will remit 80% of duty to the EU, that is £172 on your bike, or 34.5% of your purchase.

 

Does it make you want to leave the EU/Customs Union/Single Market? I wonder.

 

You reclaim the vat,but I respect that you have to cash flow it until the next reclaim period. I feel for you,it was a risk continuing with orders and you were unlucky.

Many of the Chinese builders have already set up European assembly operations,we just need for these to settle down and maybe that is the system for the future.

I am content to let my bikes go out slowly and stock will last until an obvious resolution is forthcoming.

KudosDave

do you want to argue with HMRC?

 

TBH, I was unlucky because the MSC Maersk Zoe got bumped off Felixstowe 10 days ago.

Anyway, I placed a new order today for the next lot of bikes in parts to be re-assembled in Southend.

Ideally, I'd like to partner with an European bike manufacturers, buy their last season stock and convert them to e-bikes.

 

Hi Woosh, please be careful, I have recently had an email from HMRC saying it does not matter if the bikes are bought in KD or PKD they will still consider them as ebikes and they will still apply the 37% ADT deposit.

 

All the best, David

I thought it may come to that but as I ship in batteries and wheels separately with my kits, I don't think HMRC could argue it's a CKD or PKD bike.

What's the best email for you? Ill send the documents. The danger you will enter and what I understand to be the case is that if you are not charged the 37% eBike deposit you will be charged the 48.5% full ADT on bike parts.

What's the best email for you?

thank you kindly. Email: support@wooshbikes.co.uk - Andy and me have access to the same mailbox.

Rules for SKD and PKD:

 

QUOTE:

 

In brief, for what concerns the classification rules held applicable to imports of components for vehicles assembly (Chapter 87), GIR n. 2 (a) can apply if components are simultaneously presented to customs for clearance.

The definition of the terms simultaneously presented to customs for clearance hasn’t been the object of an official interpretation. But GIR n. 2 (a) shouldn’t be applied to split consignments of vehicle components (Cap. 87) which are not presented to customs clearance at the same time. This possibility is indeed not covered, in the EU, by a specific provision neither in the Notes to the Section XVII of the customs Tariff nor in the notes to chapter 87.

For what concerns the possibility to consider the split consignments as an abusive practice, it should be noted that the latter should not apply to the extent that the importer is able to demonstrate the existence of valid non-fiscal reasons, not negligible, underpinning the decision to split the consignments.

You have to admit that the EU have done a good job of forcing the prices up to levels where the European builders can now earn big profits on bikes.

We in the U.K. are particularly adversely affected because we don’t have a bike industry of our own.....all bikes sold are imported from somewhere,whether it be China or Europe.

We do need our own bike industry and then do a Trump and put 37% tariff on all EU to U.K. bike exports,that will stitch up the German and Italian bike assemblers. We won’t,of course,because unlike the EU we are not that good at this trade war stuff,HMRC and our government are only good at abiding by the rules not bending them to our advantage.

KudosDave