I've seen quite a few e-bikes locked up now, and most of the time the battery is left on the bike.

 

For me, in London, that seems crazy! Leaving an item worth several hundred pounds unattended attached to a bike. However other people may have different ideas...

 

So do you leave your battery on the bike when you lock it in the street?

Yes always, on my former Lafree, my Quando and Torq based bikes and on the Kalkhoff Agattu when I was testing it.

 

That said, e-bikes are as rare as hens teeth in my area, so the demand for stolen batteries would be likewise.

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I always left the Powabyke SLA battery locked on the bike, but used a chain through the handle for added safety.

The Wisper has a lock as well, and I will leave it on - again with a chain through the handle for added security.

I was amazed to find out today that the X series Powabykes have no means of locking the battery, and any owner is inviting a thief by leaving it on the bike.

Thus, I would imagine the results will depend on the type of bike you have.

 

Colin

I know Powacycle have some system whereby the "ignition key" locks the battery down into its housing so it would be very difficult to remove quickly. presumably other bikes have this.

 

also, as flecc mentioned demand would currently be low and the kinds of people currently riding e-bikes tend to be older and (hopefully!) with more of a sense of integrity; unlike mountain bikes where at "street level" the bikes and parts are currency which can be exchanged for cash and/or variety of other commodities including drugs.

 

TBH tourers, hybrids and other 700C bikes, trikes and recumbents also tend not to get nicked or have bits robbed as often as often as the bikes and components also aren't as easy to exchange or sell on. An ebike (even an expensive one) looks to a chav like a "old man / lady's bike " due to mudguards, rack etc and might even as yet be left alone! Tends to be MTBs and BMX and occasionally very pricey racers being targeted...

For my Wisper I am slightly less worried that the battery will disappear, I am slightly more nervous the seat will disappear - that could make it rather difficult to get home!!!!

 

John

I've seen quite a few e-bikes locked up now, and most of the time the battery is left on the bike.

You mean my bike?

Sometimes I'll fit it a couple of hours before I leave work but I tend not to if I'll be leaving after 5pm as that's when light fingers tend to start playing with things. Someone had tried moving it ths evening.

For my Wisper I am slightly less worried that the battery will disappear, I am slightly more nervous the seat will disappear - that could make it rather difficult to get home!!!!

 

John

 

this is a risk to all bikes with QR seatposts. Anyone here care to suggest appropriate security measures?

With all the wires dangling out of my diy lashup i'm not sure they would know where to start!!!!One advantage of a ebike of more value to myself than others.

I rode past a new (abandoned, probably stolen) full suspension bike yesterday, minus wheels. It seems odd that the major parts were left attached to the frame but the wheels were missing. Thieves are complete opportunists who will take the easiest parts to steal and sell on irrelevant to the parts value. I guess, that includes batteries....

 

I rode past a new (abandoned, probably stolen) full suspension bike yesterday, minus wheels. It seems odd that the major parts were left attached to the frame but the wheels were missing.

 

 

I think the frequent wheel thefts are often just the easy way that others deal with punctures or split tyres.

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unlike 26" wheels, batteries will only gain a street value once ebikes become popular enough for people to realise what they are and that enough less scrupulous people are riding them.

 

although I'm sure its happened I've hardly ever heard of a 700c wheel being nicked even when they are on quick release.. maybe very occasionally a flashy expensive road bike wheel by envious or unscrupulous lycras but not a touring rim...

 

Although the expensive (motor) wheel of an ebike may eventually become a target that is also hard to get off without tools and knowledge of the machines construction.

 

That said I have to admit I have never parked up my ebike in town for more than a few minutes despite their being ample racks under CCTV and bike thefts being much rarer than in London (people even left bikes unlocked until a year or two ago). I do leave the battery in when I lock it at work (unless of course I need to charge it up!)

 

One scam I have heard of with high value bikes locked up in public places is some scrote sussing out they can defeat your lock, but rather than haul it away there and then (such as in daylight or when cops/CCTV are more alert) another lock (their own for which they have the key) is locked onto the (already locked) bike

 

The idea here is that the owner scratches their head and works out how to get past the rogue lock without getting themselves nicked, and may go back for tools or to call a bobby (and try and convince them to take immediate action on what they may not see urgent or even consider to be a civil matter unless the owner has proof of ownership with them)

 

in the meantime, especially if the bike is left with both locks during the hours of darkness (you would hope the victim is not daft enough to remove their lock!) the person what put the second lock returns, removes their rogue lock, cracks the other one and robs the bike!

 

there is a increasing case for a secure indoor bike park of the same (or better) standard to be created in Britain (don't they have these in some foreign countries?)

Edited February 27, 200917 yr by Alex728

I certainly do leave it. What on earth would I do with it, if I removed it?

It's not something I can just slip into my hand-bag and, as it is a Powabyke, the battery case can't be removed from the bike or opened, without damaging it, without the ignition key.

I always left the Powabyke SLA battery locked on the bike, but used a chain through the handle for added safety.

The Wisper has a lock as well, and I will leave it on - again with a chain through the handle for added security.

I was amazed to find out today that the X series Powabykes have no means of locking the battery, and any owner is inviting a thief by leaving it on the bike.

Thus, I would imagine the results will depend on the type of bike you have.

 

Colin

 

Well, this was another major concern I had with my X-byke so I made it lockable. Simple enough after a bit of thought and a couple of tries. Although the battery is small and relatively light it's not really something you want to carry around with you, added to which I have myalgia and aching/weakness in my arms and legs so it was impractical. And at £250 for a battery I wasn't going to risk it- when it is easily removed there's a chance somebody would be tempted.

this is a risk to all bikes with QR seatposts. Anyone here care to suggest appropriate security measures?

 

Remove the QR and use bolts?

I certainly do leave it. What on earth would I do with it, if I removed it?

It's not something I can just slip into my hand-bag and, as it is a Powabyke, the battery case can't be removed from the bike or opened, without damaging it, without the ignition key.

 

Actually my nick-name for it is the handbag!

this is a risk to all bikes with QR seatposts. Anyone here care to suggest appropriate security measures?

 

Remove the QR and use bolts?

That's all I have done, for the sake of a £20 saddle it's not worth the effort for most thieves.

If you need the QR to remove the battery then small cable locks are available to offer a little more security.

Remove the QR and use bolts?

 

Not convenient when bikes like some Wispers come without tilting saddles to release the battery from the frame.

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My goodness.

 

By the time I have secured the battery, the helmet, the bike, and the basket and the panniers and heaven only knows what, it would be the middle of next week and I would have forgotten what I came out for anyway.

 

When I take the thing into 'dens of iniquity' like New Milton and Lymington, I do secure the rear wheel, with a bike chain and once, back in the good old days, when it was the only one in the territory, at Tesco, I even chained the thing to a stout rail--but I must admit, that until this thread, I had never actually given the BATTERY a thought.

 

I DO have a warped sense of humour I know, but the prospect of some would be thief trying to run off carrying a PB battery case (it's not exactly something you can slide unobtrusively into even the largest of jacket pockets and slip into the crowd with is it) rather makes me giggle.

 

I suppose I could paint my post code on it, in some bright paint.

 

I do appreciate though that with these smaller, lighter and 'more valuable than gold', shiny 'hi-tech' LIs, it really is much more of a serious problem. That's the problem isn't it, with all these new and innovative 'must haves'.

 

Far too many of the people who 'must have' them, seem to think that we paying folk should provide them for free.

 

The Wisper battery looks as if it might ALMOST fit into my handbag--but I would have to take out everything else first.

My Agattu is used for commuting, and over this winter I have got into the habit of removing the battery while I am at work. This is not so much for security, but I was a bit concerned at the effect the cold might have on the battery's performance come the end of the day. Last thing I want is to be out of juice!

 

As the warmer weather returns I shall probably revert to leaving it in place.

Are you not missing the point about taking the battery away with you. It is not the value of the battery that is important, it is the value of the bike and battery together. Ebikes hold their value incredibly well - I know, I got a good price for my Torq on ebay. By separating the battery and bike you lower the value so that the bike becomes almost worthless to steal. So I would suggest taking the battery with you for all but the shortest of stops (especially true in major cities).

 

I am lucky in having a garage at work and at home (smug face). For local shop runs I use a normal(!) bicycle.

The Wisper battery looks as if it might ALMOST fit into my handbag--but I would have to take out everything else first.

 

It'd have to be a pretty big strong handbag, one that Mrs T would be proud of!

I use a plastic coated curly steel rope lock that I permanently leave curled through my seat, my battery and my bike frame. I would strongly recommend this setup to everyone. That way everything's always locked to everything else. I also have the added bonus that if I'm leaving my bike somewhere a bit dodgy I can change it quickly so that it goes through my back wheel too. I then use a much stronger lock as my main lock to lock my front wheel and frame to anything handy.

 

I have a quick release seat and a battery + controller that clamps to the seat post so all it would take for someone to nick my battery and seat would be cutting the two wires that come out of the battery controller and lifting it off. Two seconds tops. So I was forced from the outset to take action.

As with all bike security, much depends on the length and pattern of parking.

 

If you leave a bike in the same place at the same time on the same days every week for the whole day, trouble is likely to head your way.

 

If the parking is like mine, at varying locations and times and usually for fairly short periods, the risks are very much lower and near zero, and even a single cable or chain lock for the bike only suffices.

 

There's no way I'm going to walk around the aisles in Sainsburys carrying my battery. If I had to do that I wouldn't bother e-biking.

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I suppose I could paint my post code on it, in some bright paint.

 

 

There is always the security kit with the bike registration stencil kit. Selectamark- stencil the number on the battery. They supply 2 stencils with the kit, and there is a transponder you fit into the bike.

I had heard my local police were giving free kits as awareness but the officer I asked didn't know anything about it.

:: Selectamark Security Systems Limited ::

the site shows a winter discount.

Welcome bike register

 

Anyone had experience of the kit wrt theft? I guess a big part is the visibility of the stickers and stenciled registration number which could put thieves off.

I think the design is also a big factor.

 

Some ebikes have batteries which are clearly difficult if not impossible to shift without the key (even if the locking mechanisms are basic); but for others as caph said it could be easy to nick the battery - and I expect this would be more of a risk with "DIY" bikes or conversions than proprietary battery models.

 

OTOH if the battery housing is left uncovered surely the connections are then vulnerable from weather or even idiots deliberately filling the space left with rubbish....

 

At least one advantage of a ebike (particularly a Powacycle or other SLA battery bike) is that without the key but with a heavy battery present it is not the sort of machine a thief could make a "fast getaway" on - unless they have a vehicle to haul away the bikes with, and in most cases this sort of organised criminal activity will eventually be noticed and stamped on by the bobbies..

unless they have a vehicle to haul away the bikes with, and in most cases this sort of organised criminal activity will eventually be noticed and stamped on by the bobbies..

Haha, no chance. That happens all the time with far heavier motorcycles and the police can't do much about it.