Status of COVID-19

As of 19 March 2020, COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious disease (HCID) in the UK. There are many diseases which can cause serious illness which are not classified as HCIDs.

 

A High Consequence Infectious Disease is something like Ebola (death rate 50%) or SARS (death rate 10-14%) or MERS (death rate 35%) or Marburg virus (death rate 24%-88%).

 

It's quite right that COVID-19 is not classified as an HCID because it has a much lower death rate that is closely related to age eg for those in their 70s it's about 10% but for this in their 20s it's about 0.0005%.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-58569849

 

Published 9 hours ago

 

Ros Atkins on... why people are using a horse drug

 

In the US, a drug called Ivermectin is being touted as a way of treating or preventing Covid-19, with celebrities such as podcast host Joe Rogan praising its use.

Ivermectin is primarily used to treat parasitic infections, and is often used for animals in larger doses.

Official advice says it's not approved for treating coronavirus.

Ros Atkins explores why people continue to use the controversial drug.

I'd not heard of that, so I looked it up on IMDB.

Fascinating.

Firstly, because the IMDB rating gave it a 3.5 out of 10. Not good. And the single, main 'review' they post was a pretty scathing one. Yet when you do some digging and read ALL the reviews, the vast majority give it a 10/10. Funny that. Ho hum, so we now know the IMDB is being 'manipulated' as well for those who don't look past the obvious (I've actually noticed the exact same tactic some months ago when looking for info on a documentary about natural Cancer therapy treatments. What a surprise)

 

Here is an interesting quote from one of the reviews.

 

"I have watched the BBC all of my life and always believed that they were a true genuinely independent honest organisation... then I realised I've been lied to my entire life. it really made me question absolutely everything I believe, it's really been a long journey trying to reassess my views on everything in life after realising how I've been lied to for so many years. This is an absolute must watch for anyone who watches the BBC or pay a TV licence. .. Please just watch the entire thing with an open mind and you should be absolutely gobsmacked."

 

The documentary is on Odysee. I might watch it on the weekend. I have a feeling it might be a little 'lowbrow', but I suspect it will have some harrowing truths in it.

 

 

And then on that same theme - purely coincidentally, I was pointed earlier today to a GBnews video, where Neil Oliver (the BBC - 'coast' presenter) tells it like it is!

Here is the link.

 

I think that Neil Oliver is doing the bidding of GB News here - an organisation set up explicitly to confront what some people call the MSM. Its viewers are universally of the opinion that they are being lied to by the likes of the BBC and by politicians, so his heartfelt rant is exactly in line with the station's ethos and the expectations of its audience.

 

Oliver waves around the seemingly frightening 'fact' that some children have shown symptoms of heart inflammation after vaccination, but says neither that they are rare, or that these were all trivial and were better in a day or two. He does not say either, more importantly, that myocarditis and endocarditis - inflammation of the heart muscle or inflammation of the lining of the heart, are absolutely common - very much more common, in cases of infection with Sars-Covid-2. There have been tens of thousands of such cases along side massive lung inflammation, people drowning in their own secretions, blood clots and the rest all caused by the actual disease.

 

He waves the skeleton of trivial cases of heart inflammation in a few young people, which killed or harmed no one while glibly accepting that 300 young people, under eighteen, already died of Covid-19. None died of vaccination.

 

Heart inflammation is very common in a variety of viral infections - even the cold and influenza.

 

This piece to camera by Neil Oliver - a historian, distorts the risks involved in vaccinating 12- 18 year olds, is selective in its treatment of different risks and ignores the wider impact on children of having to close down schools when cases of covid-19 occur. Parents, politicians and educators were at one, only recently about the importance of re-opening schools and ending educational disruption. The final recommendation to offer vaccination to this group was taken in acknowledgement of the wider impact of the disease on children themselves and on the community at large. Schools have been a reservoir of continuing outbreaks. That is a matter of fact.

Conspiracy theory believers are victims of the search giants' success - the more extreme the views, the easier they are to amplify through the delivery of extreme clickbait, and the more the believers click and discuss bullshit, the more money the search giants make. Some here have said something similar to "Follow the money" - the search giants are where your conspiracy theories should start and end... and if you "Follow the money", many search giants' misinformation campaigns are funded and operated using gigantic botnets controlling anti-social media and anti-social "News" by countries hostile to the West, who would like nothing better than watch it all burn or become progressively more instable from within, because it gives their economies a competitive advantage in the long term. It's seductive to think that there's a nugget of hidden secrets about how the world actually functions, that only you and a handful of fellow gloomy people know what's really going on, that's it's you against "Them". Makes you feel powerful and special, knowing what you "Know", and your mission with the others chosen to save the world begins... But that's precisely how cults start - isolate then discombobulate till you're all singing happy clappy (or in this case moaning in fearful misery) from the same hymn sheet. I can't wait for the gout medication suppression conspiracies to begin... I think it'll take a few months... at least Probenecid isn't as easy to overdose and kill yourself with, as Ivermectin. I should start a conspiracy theory that Probenecid is being suppressed to prevent the Illuminati from getting any.

Edited September 16, 20214 yr by guerney

https://cultinformation.org.uk/article_caring-for-cult-victims.html

 

Ros Atkins explores why people continue to use the controversial drug.

This might save him some time, or he could phone the Indian Government:

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0247163

Snippet from LinkedIn:

> I cover disinformation shared online globally

 

You are really not doing yourself favours.

That's not 'their' disinformation, it's other people's disinformation, obvs.

 

Having said that, what on earth are you doing trusting LinkedIn as a source of hard facts anyway?

If there was ever a source of self-aggrandising bullsh*t, that is it.

That's all irrelevant. She herself describes her job as "Specialist Disinformation and Social Media Reporter at BBC ". It can't be clearer than that. No need to look at what all the other berks write on Linkedin.

Oliver waves around the seemingly frightening 'fact' that some children have shown symptoms of heart inflammation after vaccination, but says neither that they are rare,

Who told you that it's rare? A little birdie flew in through my window and told me that they nearly all get heart inflamation to a greater or lesser extent, which most recover from and most don't even know that it's happened.

Who told you that it's rare? A little birdie flew in through my window and told me that they nearly all get heart inflamation to a greater or lesser extent, which most recover from and most don't even know that it's happened.

 

Well that'sá good reason to get a cat and stop these little birds misinforming you then. In fact; get two. Get three cats, the bigger and more feisty, the better.

 

The main enquiry by JCVI concluded that the risk of illness without vaccination cor covid-19 was slightly more than the risk of vaccination, but that the margin was insufficient to justify vaccinating on the advantages to the child on purely medial grounds.

 

The decision not to recommend the vaccine to all healthy children was based on concern over an extremely rare side effect of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines which causes heart inflammation, and can lead to palpitations and chest pain.

 

Data from the US, where millions of young teenagers have been vaccinated, suggests there are 60 cases of the heart condition for every million second doses given to 12 to 17-year-old boys (compared to eight in one million girls).

 

If you're not too busy listening to the birds, why not read the JVCI advice, so you can get it right when you post. I know how committed to getting it right for people you are when you post about e-bike problems, so here's your chance to stop spreading shyte about this issue. Funny how you openly despise spreaders of e-bike misinformation, but seem entirely oblivious to your own issues in this thread.

 

JCVI Advice on Government website

That's all irrelevant. She herself describes her job as "Specialist Disinformation and Social Media Reporter at BBC ". It can't be clearer than that. No need to look at what all the other berks write on Linkedin.

Without being cheeky here's an example:

- a Royal Correspondent reports on the royals. They are not themselves royal.

- a Disinformation Reporter reports on disinformation. They are not themselves disinforming.

 

I think you're reading what you want to see, so to speak.

Either that, or you're winding me up. If so, you've got me hook, line & sinker.

This might save him some time, or he could phone the Indian Government:

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0247163

 

Mentioned in here I think;

 

https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD015017.pub2/full

 

Ivermectin compared to no treatment for prevention of SARS‐CoV‐2 infection

 

We found one study. Mortality up to 28 days was the only outcome eligible for primary analysis. We are uncertain whether ivermectin reduces or increases mortality compared to no treatment (0 participants died; 1 study, 304 participants; very low‐certainty evidence). The study reported results for development of COVID‐19 symptoms and adverse events up to 14 days that were included in a secondary analysis due to high risk of bias. No study reported SARS‐CoV‐2 infection, hospital admission, and quality of life up to 14 days.

 

Authors' conclusions

 

Based on the current very low‐ to low‐certainty evidence, we are uncertain about the efficacy and safety of ivermectin used to treat or prevent COVID‐19. The completed studies are small and few are considered high quality. Several studies are underway that may produce clearer answers in review updates. Overall, the reliable evidence available does not support the use of ivermectin for treatment or prevention of COVID‐19 outside of well‐designed randomized trials.

 

So who does one believe ?

BBC1 Question time is on live, with audiance, this evening @ 22:35 , for the first time since the start of the pandemic, I suspect the issue of Covid will come up.

 

Might be interesting.

Edited September 16, 20214 yr by StuartsProjects

Yes! Probenecid is making waves!

 

https://www.technologynetworks.com/drug-discovery/news/repurposing-a-gout-medication-to-combat-respiratory-viruses-including-sars-cov-2-353552

 

...plus we'd be immune from gout! Drink more beer and eat only meat.

 

 

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the cider adds up to 26880l and 3.4 kg of weed in ten years.

 

and im still not dead

Who told you that it's rare? A little birdie flew in through my window and told me that they nearly all get heart inflamation to a greater or lesser extent, which most recover from and most don't even know that it's happened.

 

Hearing voices now?

Mentioned in here I think;

 

https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD015017.pub2/full

 

Ivermectin compared to no treatment for prevention of SARS‐CoV‐2 infection

 

We found one study. Mortality up to 28 days was the only outcome eligible for primary analysis. We are uncertain whether ivermectin reduces or increases mortality compared to no treatment (0 participants died; 1 study, 304 participants; very low‐certainty evidence). The study reported results for development of COVID‐19 symptoms and adverse events up to 14 days that were included in a secondary analysis due to high risk of bias. No study reported SARS‐CoV‐2 infection, hospital admission, and quality of life up to 14 days.

 

Authors' conclusions

 

Based on the current very low‐ to low‐certainty evidence, we are uncertain about the efficacy and safety of ivermectin used to treat or prevent COVID‐19. The completed studies are small and few are considered high quality. Several studies are underway that may produce clearer answers in review updates. Overall, the reliable evidence available does not support the use of ivermectin for treatment or prevention of COVID‐19 outside of well‐designed randomized trials.

 

So who does one believe ?

 

Science isn't about belief or faith it's about evidence & there is no evidence either way.

This might save him some time, or he could phone the Indian Government:

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0247163

 

That paper is interesting but not very strong evidence because it's not a double blind randomised trial where neither participants nor those running the trial now who received active drug & who received placebo until the codes are broken after the trial was completed. This was done arse about face by seeing who had tested positive & who negative then working backwards & trying to match them by age, sex, occupation etc & asking them what they had taken by way of prophylaxis.

This sort of paper isn't strong evidence of efficacy just an interesting indication that it might be worthwhile running a double blind randomised trial.

Well that'sá good reason to get a cat and stop these little birds misinforming you then. In fact; get two. Get three cats, the bigger and more feisty, the better.

 

The main enquiry by JCVI concluded that the risk of illness without vaccination cor covid-19 was slightly more than the risk of vaccination, but that the margin was insufficient to justify vaccinating on the advantages to the child on purely medial grounds.

 

 

 

 

 

If you're not too busy listening to the birds, why not read the JVCI advice, so you can get it right when you post. I know how committed to getting it right for people you are when you post about e-bike problems, so here's your chance to stop spreading shyte about this issue. Funny how you openly despise spreaders of e-bike misinformation, but seem entirely oblivious to your own issues in this thread.

 

JCVI Advice on Government website

I'd rather trust my little birdie. It's never been wrong yet.

Science isn't about belief or faith it's about evidence & there is no evidence either way.

There is plenty of evidence. The problem is that the political and financial agendas get in the way. As soon as a legitimate test/trial/data collection shows anything that conflicts with their agendas, they pay someone to write a pseudo-science report to show the opposite. I've already told you that if you want to know who to trust, look who funds the organisations that make the reports, then look who funds them.

There is plenty of evidence. The problem is that the political and financial agendas get in the way. As soon as a legitimate test/trial/data collection shows anything that conflicts with their agendas, they pay someone to write a pseudo-science report to show the opposite. I've already told you that if you want to know who to trust, look who funds the organisations that make the reports, then look who funds them.

 

No. There is not 'plenty of evidence'. There is evidence indicating it's effective & evidence indicating it's ineffective. Thus far there has not been a robust double blind randomised controlled trial of Ivermectin. When there has been we will know one way or another. People were making the same claims for the efficacy of Hydroxychloroquine last year until it was proved useless by the RECOVERY trial. Belief & faith only belong in a cult. We need to wait for credible scientific evidence.

There is plenty of evidence. The problem is that the political and financial agendas get in the way. As soon as a legitimate test/trial/data collection shows anything that conflicts with their agendas, they pay someone to write a pseudo-science report to show the opposite. I've already told you that if you want to know who to trust, look who funds the organisations that make the reports, then look who funds them.

 

Crap! The RECOVERY trial showed 30% reduction in deaths for patients who required oxygen when treated with Dexamethasone which is out of patent & costs pennies. The RECOVERY trial also showed reduction in death for severely ill patients treated with Remdesivir that costs a couple of thousand pounds for a course of treatment. The RECOVERY trial showed Hydroxychloroquine was useless. It also showed that convalescent plasma was useless. None of this information is anything about an agenda. Just good science that shows what it shows.

Crap! The RECOVERY trial showed 30% reduction in deaths for patients who required oxygen when treated with Dexamethasone which is out of patent & costs pennies. The RECOVERY trial also showed reduction in death for severely ill patients treated with Remdesivir that costs a couple of thousand pounds for a course of treatment. The RECOVERY trial showed Hydroxychloroquine was useless. It also showed that convalescent plasma was useless. None of this information is anything about an agenda. Just good science that shows what it shows.

 

This discussion puts me in mind of my grandmother. She had a saying, something about leading horses, and water. She knew about horses, leastways her father did. He worked as a groomsman.

This discussion puts me in mind of my grandmother. She had a saying, something about leading horses, and water. She knew about horses, leastways her father did. He worked as a groomsman.

Try looking in the miror to see if you have a long face.

Try looking in the miror to see if you have a long face.

 

Crossbreeding humans and horses isn't possible, and trying is illegal.

Crossbreeding humans and horses isn't possible, and trying is illegal.

 

Mind you, I've seen farmers in Wales who's features suggest sheep/human hybridisation has happened.